Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52216 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 62286 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 13:55:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 13:55:33 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=christian.kaps@mohiva.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=christian.kaps@mohiva.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain mohiva.com from 178.63.228.54 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: christian.kaps@mohiva.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 178.63.228.54 elvis.mohiva.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [178.63.228.54] ([178.63.228.54:54718] helo=elvis.mohiva.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 62/82-43407-3D349CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 09:55:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by elvis.mohiva.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116761DBE0A9 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:55:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mohiva.com Received: from elvis.mohiva.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (elvis.mohiva.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MzkHwfYuv4xC for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:55:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elvis.mohiva.com (elvis.mohiva.com [178.63.228.54]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: christian.kaps@mohiva.com) by elvis.mohiva.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4EAD91DBE08D for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 15:55:27 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:55:26 +0200 To: In-Reply-To: References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> Message-ID: X-Sender: christian.kaps@mohiva.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.5.2 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: christian.kaps@mohiva.com On Tue, 10 May 2011 15:13:32 +0200, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > so the problem is, that the userland is under-represented in the > development, because they usually not present on the mailing list and > on > irc, where discussions and decisions happen, and they usually have > different > priorities and expectations about the PHP language than the core > devs. > to make things worse, they cannot write patches for the core, and the > core > devs rarely work on something which they don't particularly need or > like. > > and I think that the only option where we can change that, is that > us, the > php userland devs has to be more active on the mailing lists, irc, > bug > tracking, writing RFCs etc. > I'm a userland developer, reading the list since two years I think. And I must say I'm totally frustrated about the developing process itself. The actual proposal process is always the same: 1. Someone proposes a new feature. 2. As next there is a long discussion about the topic which ends up with more dissent than consensus. 3. A long time nothing about the topic. 4. Start new from first point. And I think in the near feature there will be no changes with the old structures. Greetings Christian