Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52210 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 39733 invoked from network); 10 May 2011 11:05:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 May 2011 11:05:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@stefan-marr.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@stefan-marr.de; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain stefan-marr.de from 81.20.134.149 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@stefan-marr.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.20.134.149 vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de Received: from [81.20.134.149] ([81.20.134.149:42172] helo=vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C3/F0-32373-DDB19CD4 for ; Tue, 10 May 2011 07:05:02 -0400 Received: from [134.184.43.20] by vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJkkI-0001Ri-1x; Tue, 10 May 2011 13:04:54 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:04:53 +0200 Cc: Sebastian Bergmann , internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <94F64652-E936-4805-B164-A04FFBB1314A@stefan-marr.de> References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> <4DC9081C.3020808@php.net> To: Ferenc Kovacs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: php@stefan-marr.de (Stefan Marr) On 10 May 2011, at 12:04, Ferenc Kovacs wrote: > performance problems, playing the bloated card, etc.), but they were > overwhelmed by the positive feedback and the buzz about what can be = further > improved, etc. > it seems that annotations lacked the critical mass when it was = proposed. :( =46rom my perspective, getting Traits in was also a lot of hard work = with respect to the community. (Actually more then the technical details). While there seemed to be quite some buzz in the general PHP world, = internals was rather uninterested in the beginning. The whole thing required a lot of, what I would characterize as, = hand-holding. Internals is not the most open community and needs not only good = arguments, but persistence. And, well, it also seem to require to get in touch with the right = people... And now the whole discussion about 5.4 goes again in a direction where = it will probably be stalled in the end. I am not to optimistic about an actual release date within 2011. Best regards Stefan --=20 Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525