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Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:42:45 -0500
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To: "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" <guilhermeblanco@gmail.com>
Cc: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>, PHP Internals <internals@lists.php.net>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again
From: pencap@gmail.com (Mike Willbanks)

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Guilherme,

As per many of the conversations on annotations one of that hardest parts of
it is that there are generally 3 conversations going on about it when this
starts to be discussed.  It seems many threads are hi-jacked and I can
understand why.

I would like to state that annotations in the core may be a good idea;
however, we have PECL and PECL seems like the perfect place for this.  Quite
a few extensions have started off in PECL and made their way to the core and
several have been moved from the core to PECL.  To me annotations support
seems like it would be perfect in PECL.  Dedicated machines and virtual
machines for end users are higher than ever and they seem to continue to
grow.  This should easily allow folks to put in the PECL module as needed.

I would argue that the introduction of this into the core is adding more
feature bloat into the language that is not quite needed at this point.
 There are obviously several improvements that this would allow to be
improved and consistent: WSDL / JSON-RPC / XML-RPC / Doctrine / etc.

However, I feel extensions like Mongo / Memcached / Gearman have more to add
to the PHP core than adding annotations and they live in PECL.  Just
speaking from the practical point of view.  It is great that certain
projects that have utilized annotations and created a layer in user land to
make annotations a nice thing to utilize.  But to continue to argue this
point; it just does not seem logical other than the fact that a few projects
want to promote annotations should cause it to drop into the core.

I for one would like to see this go to PECL and see the up-take then
identify if it is needed for the next PHP release after 5.4.  It seems a bit
early and like it would be crammed into the PHP core without enough
discussion.  There are obviously many thoughts on this and it will take time
to sort out and implementation details then would be further down the trail
after some consensus is happening within this feature.

Regards,

Mike

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