Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52181 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 19330 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 21:42:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2011 21:42:29 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.188 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.188 c2beaomr10.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.188] ([213.123.26.188:31084] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 46/50-14908-2CF58CD4 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 17:42:27 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.4_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr10.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CSX82543; Mon, 09 May 2011 22:42:23 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DC85FBE.2060005@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 22:42:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110320 SUSE/2.0.13-1.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4DC826B1.4090806@lerdorf.com> <4DC82A36.8090604@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.4DC85FBE.0097, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.5.9.205418:17:7.586, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __ADULT_SUBJ_LO_3, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODY_SIZE_1500_1599, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B0203.4DC85FBF.007D,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Please let's not bitch about lazy users not learning C to implement THEIR missing feature. (Was Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again) From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote: > What I thought it could be changed is: > - Allow PHP to support it natively and also take advantage of opcode cache > - Make API cleaner Guilherme you still also have to explain WHY we need this. I have a perfectly functional documentation and hinting setup working from docblock entries in several years worth of code. Rewriting all of that would have to have some reason, and working with two systems in parallel does not make sense. My current method of working is well supported in phpeclipse while your new offering will require some major work in phpeclipse and other tools simply to access it? More work for other open source developers who again probably don't need it. So as far as I am concerned I need to be persuaded why this code needs to be IN the core code when I for one can't see any reason to use it. Just because COMPILED languages have it is not a reason to load an interpreted language with it. Adding it as a removable extension might make more sense to me, just as much of the less used code can be disabled if we want. And I was coding in C/C++ long before I switched TO PHP to get away from the problems of using compiled languages for dynamic web based systems. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php