Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52180 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 8003 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 19:34:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2011 19:34:00 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=php@stefan-marr.de; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=php@stefan-marr.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain stefan-marr.de from 81.20.134.149 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: php@stefan-marr.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 81.20.134.149 vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de Received: from [81.20.134.149] ([81.20.134.149:54091] helo=vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 79/D1-20726-6A148CD4 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 15:33:59 -0400 Received: from [134.184.43.20] by vps-1012701-4512.united-hoster.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QJWDH-0004Cy-Fd; Mon, 09 May 2011 21:33:51 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:33:50 +0200 Cc: Rasmus Lerdorf , Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <3680807C-229A-4889-9181-8953303425EC@stefan-marr.de> References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> To: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: php@stefan-marr.de (Stefan Marr) Hi: On 09 May 2011, at 19:25, guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote: > Are you sure? > Please take a look at every topic defined on wiki page. Is there ANY > topic to be discussed that came from userland? > If you say yes, please point me to the thread. What I clearly see > there is that every feature defined there came from users with php-src > karma. > Now I re-ask you, are you really sure it's only a small group that > want something or do you now confirm that only php-src users have > relevance on features request? Just for the sake of argument, a single counter-example can prove you = wrong. And that counter-example is traits. I implemented the traits long before I got actual karma, and why do we = have traits in trunk now? Because I kept arguing that they are useful, and that I as a user want = them. Others liked the idea, and eventually I got the karma to push the code = into the official repository. First it was developed completely outside of PHP and without asking = anyone from internals, just because I wanted it... That is how open source works. Best regards Stefan --=20 Stefan Marr Software Languages Lab Vrije Universiteit Brussel Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr Phone: +32 2 629 2974 Fax: +32 2 629 3525