Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52157 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70476 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 17:19:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2011 17:19:54 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=marcelog@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=marcelog@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.210.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: marcelog@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.210.170 mail-iy0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.210.170] ([209.85.210.170:39832] helo=mail-iy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 7A/CA-20726-83228CD4 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 13:19:53 -0400 Received: by iyb12 with SMTP id 12so5529435iyb.29 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=NHqmmjQcKLpRld2OzYF4Hjkya3kvoZ8lYwcQFIRjQTc=; b=kn6Ac6WJWB4T1xp6+6V9mCzzoDhYN4W+DppmLnmnT6ztqMFTYbkymLeCh8E3Ypf9cn ErdbKflDZWrtkQYg3Zm0JiSQnvNpdpUY9PbOQ2Y1Xbw0FBX9pedNmSE3hgan8UrgrY1p OXi1xD3i092MmEnz2Mt6BnDdFt+tBhm4lMDgU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FKDrOrhAf5PfQfylvin/ZWHm9m7L6D3RtOLWmV09Imm0gO6WsBNpe9GcflrHuNWEZJ Q/ATohdexdGF51l5cybQmewfolYxKjzqLBYE6JUqIYQL2daDSg/8fo0RTMgdyxGYnstX ItPOACapGA3OjZBrodvNi39G/wy/gVqCSH/FY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.42.166.7 with SMTP id m7mr6764506icy.435.1304961590370; Mon, 09 May 2011 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.6.35 with HTTP; Mon, 9 May 2011 10:19:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4DC81ED6.1050902@sugarcrm.com> References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> <4DC81ED6.1050902@sugarcrm.com> Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:19:50 -0300 Message-ID: To: Stas Malyshev Cc: "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again From: marcelog@gmail.com (Marcelo Gornstein) mm i don't remember saying anything like that :) i dont want to start an argument here, but maybe you'd like to take things less personal and re-read my post. anyway, i think it's time to stop just saying "no", and really collaborate with what the community is suggesting (and already propsed) in order to bring this into php (5.4 or whatever). On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 2:05 PM, Stas Malyshev wrot= e: > Hi! > >> my question is: is php a language made for the php developers that >> mantain the language or for the community that uses them and >> contributes to it everyday? > > Please stop trying to manipulate developers by suggesting if they don't d= o > exactly what you want they hate (or don't care for) all users. This is > obviously not true and does not contribute to the discussion. > > As for the merits of the question, the problem is not having annotations = in > general but having consistent, easy, performant model and implementation > that makes sense together with the rest of PHP. So far none that were > offered were good enough to satisfy that requirement and gather consensus= . I > think it's better to wait and revisit it in the future than to rush a > half-baked concept now. Which means unless somebody makes really strong > proposal right now that people would instantly like - it's not 5.4. It > doesn't mean "never" either - it can always be done in the next version. = If > there's something new to say on the topic - great, let's see it. > -- > Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect > SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ > (408)454-6900 ext. 227 > --=20 -- // I don't sleep. I coffee. "Make everything as simple as possible, but not simpler." -- Albert Einstei= n "The class object inherits from Chuck Norris." "Chuck Norris can divide by zero and can unit test an entire application with a single assert." "There=E2=80=99s a lot of work happening behind the scenes, courtesy of the Spring AOP framework" "Why do I have this nagging hunch that you have no idea what you're doing?" "Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - Benjamin Franklin