Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52156 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 68991 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 17:13:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2011 17:13:59 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.26.188 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.26.188 c2beaomr10.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.26.188] ([213.123.26.188:28626] helo=mail.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 28/7A-20726-4D028CD4 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 13:13:57 -0400 Received: from host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com (EHLO _10.0.0.4_) ([81.138.11.136]) by c2beaomr10.btconnect.com with ESMTP id CSW62563; Mon, 09 May 2011 18:13:00 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <4DC8209C.7060205@lsces.co.uk> Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 18:13:00 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.18) Gecko/20110320 SUSE/2.0.13-1.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC81C66.50009@sugarcrm.com> In-Reply-To: <4DC81C66.50009@sugarcrm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Fair-1, source=Queried, refid=tid=0001.0A0B0303.4DC8209C.0072, actions=tag X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=7/50, refid=2.7.2:2011.5.9.155117:17:7.586, ip=81.138.11.136, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __ANY_URI, __URI_NO_MAILTO, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, BODYTEXTP_SIZE_3000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_1800_1899, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, BODY_SIZE_2000_LESS, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2beaomr10.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-Signature-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020D.4DC820D1.01E7,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2010-07-22 22:03:31, dmn=2009-09-10 00:05:08, mode=multiengine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 again From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Stas Malyshev wrote: >> It seems to me that you are not interested on user's request and >> rather accept/implement only what the features that interest you. It's >> very bad for the language and very bad for all of users. > > Of course we are interested in user's requests, and we implemented tons > of features at user's requests. That, however, does not mean we will > implement _every_ requested feature, and of course for features that we > like and understand the chance of being implemented are much higher and > for features that core contributors don't feel make sense or go contrary > to what they feel PHP should be the chance is low. I don't think it can > work any other way, at least not in volunteer-driven project. I do feel it is about time there was a little back-pedalling and asking 'What do we NEED in PHP'. Personally a lot of the things that are been 'demanded' are of little use to make PHP work any better, and only add to the processing time. If people want a fully typed compiled language why aren't they using python or java ;) My own development framework is phpeclipse, and that give me all of the hinting and error checking that I need IN THE EDITOR, I don't need the language weight down further with bells and whistles that do not improve performance of the end application. PHP used to be a nice nimble interpreted language that I can add pages to without having to compile anything. Nowadays it seems that those days are coming to an end? Keep the hinting and error checking to the tools where they belong. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php