Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:52155 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 67062 invoked from network); 9 May 2011 17:05:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 9 May 2011 17:05:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=smalyshev@sugarcrm.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain sugarcrm.com designates 207.97.245.133 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 207.97.245.133 smtp133.iad.emailsrvr.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [207.97.245.133] ([207.97.245.133:60388] helo=smtp133.iad.emailsrvr.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A2/2A-20726-ADE18CD4 for ; Mon, 09 May 2011 13:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp43.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C9F4C2D06C0; Mon, 9 May 2011 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp43.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: smalyshev-AT-sugarcrm.com) with ESMTPSA id 3039A2D0710; Mon, 9 May 2011 13:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4DC81ED6.1050902@sugarcrm.com> Date: Mon, 09 May 2011 10:05:26 -0700 Organization: SugarCRM User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marcelo Gornstein CC: "guilhermeblanco@gmail.com" , PHP Internals References: <4DC729EE.9090600@sugarcrm.com> <4DC75FFF.40008@lerdorf.com> <4DC7A7F0.4000504@sugarcrm.com> <4DC819D0.5010008@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] annotations again From: smalyshev@sugarcrm.com (Stas Malyshev) Hi! > my question is: is php a language made for the php developers that > mantain the language or for the community that uses them and > contributes to it everyday? Please stop trying to manipulate developers by suggesting if they don't do exactly what you want they hate (or don't care for) all users. This is obviously not true and does not contribute to the discussion. As for the merits of the question, the problem is not having annotations in general but having consistent, easy, performant model and implementation that makes sense together with the rest of PHP. So far none that were offered were good enough to satisfy that requirement and gather consensus. I think it's better to wait and revisit it in the future than to rush a half-baked concept now. Which means unless somebody makes really strong proposal right now that people would instantly like - it's not 5.4. It doesn't mean "never" either - it can always be done in the next version. If there's something new to say on the topic - great, let's see it. -- Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/ (408)454-6900 ext. 227