Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:51876 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 51235 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2011 11:30:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Apr 2011 11:30:18 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mike@rile.ca; sender-id=unknown; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mike@rile.ca; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain rile.ca from 208.113.200.5 cause and error) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mike@rile.ca X-Host-Fingerprint: 208.113.200.5 caibbdcaaaaf.dreamhost.com Windows 98 (1) Received: from [208.113.200.5] ([208.113.200.5:45849] helo=homiemail-a49.g.dreamhost.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A6/10-50366-9C734AD4 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:30:18 -0400 Received: from homiemail-a49.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a49.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E85E85E0059; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 04:30:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=rile.ca; h=reply-to:from:to:cc :references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=rile.ca; b=jDR ANUcY3s7lgNr/qntF8dVQ8fokfqAJfX421gWPGIyML1YbHDVSr+QdYMT2E+Vtq7U 7d3zyp3KiNMWGjjHxqFaDhyHV55ovcOuugVzab/xKHke5wtQAWDJcMJYoRvo0Jyr HuJoCRsS+5rCtV+JvQ6b1Dd+ydxl/HAkdIYqLaAY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=rile.ca; h=reply-to:from :to:cc:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=rile.ca; bh=9wO8/qukPhcsZbrABfL198MbUTU=; b=lSUb4ayWnKAp4IlUoQ6r2E3iP4Fm FYZibysC4XOFK0BwzQE5icpfSdbCGQ7Mlo89Yc0UjgqLNo/0G8NGy8XqXjaosrGH atZInxDVJzmVLogLQDJHkeXmT8YT2uDrKVwb7RhlDl/FFgs0U3bRNhh7DBxqeqNJ UhZqQvNGylFO+8E= Received: from MikePCToo (s72-38-93-190.static.comm.cgocable.net [72.38.93.190]) (Authenticated sender: mike@rile.ca) by homiemail-a49.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 756485E0057; Tue, 12 Apr 2011 04:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: To: "'Chris Stockton'" , "'Matthew Weier O'Phinney'" Cc: References: <4DA26602.6080303@lorenso.com> <20110411133657.GK7113@crousti> <4DA3468E.8000509@sugarcrm.com> <23.C1.24294.9CC43AD4@pb1.pair.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 07:30:14 -0400 Message-ID: <001001cbf904$ff193aa0$fd4bafe0$@ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acv4hH3KIdTZyfxiRSmW/IFivsUwSAAf5VkQ Content-Language: en-ca Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] proposed access modifier "silent" ... was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Implicit isset/isempty check on short-ternary operator From: mike@rile.ca ("Mike Robinson") On Mon, Apr 11, 2011 at 4:09 PM Chris Stockton wrote: > My suggestion to use ?? I will say has little to do with laziness. I > would be happy with any solution that solves my problem, I just know > that implementing a patch for ?? would be simple enough (I could even > do so if requested). Everyone has different use patterns as shown in > other examples, this is natural and just comes with the domain. Laziness should not be confused with a desire to write clean readable code quickly. :) I have use for this, it's a nice clean solution to a simple problem. FWIW, +1. Best Regards Mike Robinson