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Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 18:12:35 -0000
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] file streams & metadata
From: glopes@nebm.ist.utl.pt ("Gustavo Lopes")

Em Mon, 07 Mar 2011 17:49:54 -0000, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>  
escreveu:

>> I have to repeat what I said earlier, these specific informations
>> (ACL, reparse points or other OS/FS specific informations) are very
>
> Nobody cares about reparse points. There's probably no PHP app in  
> existence that cares about reparse points. There's tons of apps that use  
> touch() and chmod() though.

Even if one concedes "nobody/no PHP app cares about reparse points" (which  
is an odd statement for two reasons 1) reparse points are used to  
implement things such as symbolic links and 2) if there is no access to  
reparse points in PHP, saying no PHP app cares about them is a trivial  
necessity), are you seriously saying nobody cares about POSIX  
ACLs/extended attributes or ACLs/ownership information on Windows? This is  
a spectacularly selective reply...

>> hard to implement in a generic way as you are proposing. As the idea
>> in itself is good, I have serious doubts that a useful (working and
>> portable) solution can be implemented with what is described in your
>> initial post (barely posix only).
>
> It is useful, and it will be working.

There can be certainly no "working and portable" implementation of stuff  
like NTFS ACLs on *nix or a useful chmod implementation on Windows and   
platform specific implementations of those features in the standard stream  
wrappers will have to be ifdef'd out depending on the platform, and I  
think that's Pierre's concern.

In this sense, it will be easier and more tempting to write  
platform-dependent PHP applications. However, while per se undesirable, I  
think it's less undesirable than limiting PHP to the lowest common  
denominator.

-- 
Gustavo Lopes