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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] implicit reference
From: h.reindl@thelounge.net (Reindl Harald)

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Am 01.02.2011 10:21, schrieb Mathias Grimm:
> It is a 2-step-migration

nonsense

> step 1 - php 4 and 5.3

the best way to trash something beautiflul


> step 2 - only php 5.3

step 1 requires horrible code and so much work
and with step 2 you have even more work to
get the trash from step 1 clean

> because there are various clients using that system

so let them run on a old machine with php 4

> the development cycle cant stop with bug fixing and new=20
> features required by clients.

the devleopment cycle will die because you trash too much time
with nonsense work resulting in sleeping since years

> no way to make a branch.

no way to get it without because if your code is so ugly
that it will not run with PHP5 you have so much changes
you can not do on live-systems - remind that all your
changes to be backward compatible can have side-effects
in PHP4 and PHP5

We migrated 5 years ago to php5 and it took 2 hours
because we are running the highest error-reporting in
production and so we seen deprecated warnings long
before and made the code clean

What you do is a migration over 3 major-versions
Yes, 5.2->5.3 is in some cases the same as 4->5
and this is a path which does not really exist

> We know that in the step 1 is a very horrible solution, but its necessa=
ry.
> Even with this compatible mode (php4 and 5.3) the system is getting 50%=
 faster on php 5.3

have fun but let me remember that if you do this so
the chance to shoot all down and waste much more
time as making a branch for 5.3 with code-cleanups
outside production level and update after all
is done

> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:41 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net <=
mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net>> wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
>     Am 31.01.2011 21:08, schrieb Mathias Grimm:
>     > the constraint is that all need to run on php4.3.6 and 5.3
>=20
>     this need does not exist since php4 died a long time ago and
>     now it's really time that some lazy people wake up
>=20
>     everybody who has running php4 on prodcution servers has to be
>     fired - remember php5.2 support is even ending and of course
>     such stupid admins are tey one their servers get hacked and
>     used for spambots and other nice things the world do not need



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