Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:51242 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36520 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2011 11:33:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 8 Jan 2011 11:33:39 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au; sender-id=unknown; domainkeys=good Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain yahoo.com.au from 98.139.53.214 cause and error) DomainKey-Status: good X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au X-Host-Fingerprint: 98.139.53.214 nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.53.214] ([98.139.53.214:42531] helo=nm20-vm0.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 93/00-36205-19B482D4 for ; Sat, 08 Jan 2011 06:33:38 -0500 Received: from [98.139.52.195] by nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2011 11:33:34 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.137] by tm8.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2011 11:33:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Jan 2011 11:33:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 968520.31266.bm@omp1020.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 35949 invoked from network); 8 Jan 2011 11:33:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.au; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EIUsuQY4+zbYH7IAs0spYiC9ArObc430a9AwxFinx/h4tRMVy462u3WRxSNFO3eppKJ2pufDYDTh2AU8h/6J2wUaJWvFg1UMpsKcje0sxTihSThjGqompIDVSPt5vx5nNCZx40KVqWDsjNASh/gt9GU7oaUDsaQfokvEvs1hLbY= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com.au; s=s1024; t=1294486414; bh=lnoq5uElsSbg+yA+6eJEmo174A1l5ZTv8bYoPQ6fvNI=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=uRr3LFt9x143rrBI4fosv5LN6hai42OiAgzd0YxWSQMGI6xBbCiqCP0oQT5DlyqoytiK5d3JpUt3zMdhCzE8cg/1oUK5r55MDzjvGNHW5YqletlHi0zmqtjcuUVHxPd9vTHJhFihocYGCZ5AaqGtn2rqCJalQwG0Kw6pT2Wik/E= Received: from thought.local (mail_ben_schmidt@124.149.85.149 with plain) by smtp146.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 08 Jan 2011 03:33:33 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: enFMnPSswBAexaHyzgobwuUTrYOhZdJ0KRA2SjA- X-YMail-OSG: ySeiH6sVM1koiOn1A79._ScL25Q1StnAFrnn94MREuXBnay S2Pf1OjFD3SdbrThMpgtrDXKU91h5hAbt7.v0676vChEuC71Tcr0kUKOggEz UrJJdTn4RICbLpi2TIWzkFLt5S3z6KP3cbh70eXYkgLegmU0HXQk_O1fi308 zQaao4RnbL_ytl8OTY4TN4cmKmZJZFvDgQDOz3urkwXDE5KT5Sq3EQVoKd37 TdqmRrwVjyJx6xSSwTCggehg0B5Ga0i1WM9LcOnoraAZX7fASQ95cEqV9HgD GnLdHKyCAK_.DWlH4k6s6Hi_Gx7xxBsW3jvvxKkakFdII1kB.cz68NAWtCgj _JQzNFN0jeLJ5i0FM6Ic- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D284B8B.5040408@yahoo.com.au> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 22:33:31 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Thunderbird/3.1.7 ThunderBrowse/3.3.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Bond-Caron CC: internals@lists.php.net References: <4D206CA4.6060004@yahoo.com.au> <005f01cbadc9$1172d080$34587180$@com> In-Reply-To: <005f01cbadc9$1172d080$34587180$@com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Extensions to traits From: mail_ben_schmidt@yahoo.com.au (Ben Schmidt) Hi, Jonathan, On 7/01/11 4:42 AM, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote: > - New ideas are always welcome That's great to hear! > - Don't write long e-mails to a mailing list, write an RFC > http://wiki.php.net/rfc?do=register Sure. Once I've digested and responded to Stefan's replies, I'll work on putting something up there. Perhaps this advice would be worth adding to the mailing list rules page, as nothing about post length is mentioned there at all; it only talks about attachments. > - Don't overuse the word 'simple' > > IMHO, if something is simple it should take 1-2 days to create a > patch. That doesn't seem to be the case with what you're proposing. > > But feel free to prove me wrong :) Yeah, well, I meant simple conceptually, and relatively speaking, not that it wouldn't take time and effort. I don't think I'll be proving you wrong! But as I said, I am willing to get my hands dirty with this. > Creating a patch will help getting feedback about what you're proposing > http://ca3.php.net/reST/php-src/README.MAILINGLIST_RULES I hope I haven't broken any of the mailing list rules, but my apologies if I have, and please point out specifically where I've gone wrong. As far as a patch goes, I don't think that is appropriate at this stage. I don't want to spend a lot of time creating a patch only to have it rejected if this could be avoided by a little discussion. My time is too valuable to me to waste like that, and with something as controversial as this, there's a real danger of that happening. Cheers, Ben.