Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50837 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 60470 invoked from network); 3 Dec 2010 01:59:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 3 Dec 2010 01:59:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=jmertic@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=jmertic@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 74.125.82.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: jmertic@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.82.170 mail-wy0-f170.google.com Received: from [74.125.82.170] ([74.125.82.170:60682] helo=mail-wy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 91/51-49671-3EE48FC4 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 20:59:00 -0500 Received: by wyb39 with SMTP id 39so872463wyb.29 for ; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KhCEM0ccHj+mjDQvym77RxXHKh86IZvCksOyVsPvFx8=; b=HIZP7D3+MMznwUbbiMlga4tS/4lqw6xVScUbDzV2bwlccMJp5RSIS4Vh11ykIQNRT3 lqmO8v0LbcPUhgawtQC5uW03Uygi12sJMm6Bj6yv0oE+pZQItDFZE9m/dOSXj4Gw4Nsy Te5/urPSf56/TOspR+1HwkUFqIZQSmbvJwB/I= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=EhPtXS0cg82sz/hN5X12l/bCsRFAkVdZZolfd5SlS7tXfRohODFWCbxaiLEKI3HZiD rFULpDAULEQwIIxFjw+Ne6PdXtUbvccai9k8jV3uv6j+JlwdlxkA/5ooW/83q5Q9LO4e +EQTKI7cdxL7e3+Jv7AeRoiRXX/PYx/IVQJgM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.142.133 with SMTP id q5mr1185000wbu.3.1291341536266; Thu, 02 Dec 2010 17:58:56 -0800 (PST) Sender: jmertic@gmail.com Received: by 10.227.152.210 with HTTP; Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:58:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4CF7ED06.5000701@oracle.com> References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154C3B@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290707707.7033.115.camel@guybrush> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D3910@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4808@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4B7B@il-ex2.zend.net> <4CF7ED06.5000701@oracle.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 17:58:55 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: MuCtil4dysCw0yWMEOSqCZl0y3o Message-ID: To: Christopher Jones Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: jmertic@php.net (John Mertic) On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 11:01 AM, Christopher Jones wrote: > > > On 11/26/2010 11:15 AM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> >> 3. The motivation to skip 6 doesn't stem from marketing at all. =C2=A0Th= e main >> motivation is that there's a VERY concrete perception amongst many users >> about what PHP 6 is. =C2=A0It's unlikely that PHP 6 will actually be tha= t. >> =C2=A0Skipping this version makes perfect sense from just about any POV = I can >> think of. =C2=A0That's actually one thing I do feel more strongly about = - we >> should probably not reuse the version number 6.0 for something that's >> completely different than what we've been talking about for several year= s, >> whether it's now or anytime in the future. > > Users aware of PHP 6's unicode intentions will assume PHP 7 is a superset= of > PHP 6 and therefore has unicode. =C2=A0So skipping the number "6" won't r= esolve > any user confusion. I think the unicode debacle will always give user's confusion, especially since there's many many PHP 6 books on bookshelves that speak of it. I think it's better to recognize what has happened with PHP 6, be honest to the community about what happened and why, and move on as best as we can. John Mertic jmertic@gmail.com | http://jmertic.wordpress.com