Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50626 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46494 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 17:10:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Nov 2010 17:10:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.42 mail-fx0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.42] ([209.85.161.42:38531] helo=mail-fx0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 4D/32-32860-C8B31FC4 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 12:10:37 -0500 Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2309976fxm.29 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:10:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=yQow7UaOCYYWIRqHc7wnWBe4NTrrn7F5DgJwFRBbZ9Y=; b=ZrVo2vexkly69rAYeA1Cn8P8tdDGIdFHbbqMGnALzPuDjybdZ1YoyJP/mMbh8dZnxv 7FCBXV+4D1p/EgrgRTW1zWZLtoriyQaRYi1XRxhdOrT9PEUFEks+y04h5gp1dqTfu27Y lYbg8+zmlxQ5QW8qVZ9sk9F2Hyd+if6iTP8N8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uy5BC8MnYhB4bHYLjYym57p1/VShwXvSjbFqzZykNKTdnW44KPlatihRlAzDhV0ZJ0 AtmfThkQbV+Fvs7cMOXgCwRMhY9NL8IgBv627/vk31AQBs0ADPGd7hdA+6YQP2uZCCrZ uV4SjFe7qKb4i46idRQvdavOTcXHoC8c+nnbo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.87.67 with SMTP id v3mr3326771fal.130.1290877831608; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.142 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 09:10:31 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <67.91.32860.CC831FC4@pb1.pair.com> References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154C3B@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290707707.7033.115.camel@guybrush> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D3910@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4808@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4B7B@il-ex2.zend.net> <67.91.32860.CC831FC4@pb1.pair.com> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:10:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: "Matthew Weier O'Phinney" Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > On 2010-11-26, Pierre Joye wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> > 3. The motivation to skip 6 doesn't stem from marketing at all. =A0The >> > main motivation is that there's a VERY concrete perception amongst >> > many users about what PHP 6 is. >> >> Leaving the very small conference crowd for a second: nobody never >> ever heard of php6 before the total fiasco a couple of months ago. > > Not true. There have been "PHP 6" books *published* and on the market > for literally years. That's what I mentioned later on "except the php6 books" or something like that. I however keep the other comments, while many users have heard about unicode and php6, or the total fiasco a couple of months ago, they did not and still do not care about it. The php5 migration, adoption of 5.3, dealing with chaotic releases are what they talk about. But that's the feedback I got, maybe other hears something else, depending on the audience. Cheers, --=20 Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org