Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50620 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 1584 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 12:06:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Nov 2010 12:06:10 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.42 mail-fx0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.42] ([209.85.161.42:41384] helo=mail-fx0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F2/B2-14402-F24F0FC4 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 07:06:07 -0500 Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so2195171fxm.29 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:06:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=3tHmW42WcFlSGQCaIGoDEURq7v6BHdkZYlHDLVYeYYc=; b=TbslTRDOCIlgTREPL8uHU56np672o5Hpyy6nvHr/V+0ahevNiWW7lkQ6SdpfuDl+sU 9qrWPi0/wi//Gjj6yzFqId4S8r3JzIPRC2W1s2d7cGG5Dl/XD/+uHM+iHbRCX4747Ysw OR2PqHcgsxBlSdQVvSuUiyzYJF6Ka+WXiIu7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=go4q5WrRgy6kCKgOzeL1he3VIpNXri15HFCSBJh5tLn8WUjSWLFAwlSnhhphOGWCgG wdR4pduBBpumWzv3TftQQ9wxTbQ3s7dIIOADptOO+hxG3t7VcjWiQfUrHlBZ2H1k/x1d NXTCd+Rj8cnv+bwiU6uyaykTEF9A0g/2EA3yI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.70.131 with SMTP id d3mr860296faj.73.1290859562864; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.83.142 with HTTP; Sat, 27 Nov 2010 04:06:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 13:06:02 +0100 Message-ID: To: Karoly Negyesi Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Major release for BC?? From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Karoly Negyesi wrote: > Hi, > > I am reading the 5.4 vs 7.0 debate. And, here's something I really > need to follow up on: "We should reserve major versions for BC breaks. > Just like we've always done". If that's what you've always done then > it's not PHP I spent practically every awake minute in the last seven > or so years. > > If backwards compatibility break would mean a new PHP major we would > be in somewhere PHP 43 or something :D > > Seriously. From PHP x.y.z to PHP x.y.z+1 > tl;dr the PHP developers have a false belief in not breaking backwards > compatibility in minor releases. No, but there are way too many possibilities to break things without us even noticing it. That's why we proposed the release process and rules RFC: http://wiki.php.net/rfc/releaseprocess which clearly disallow BC breaks in bugs fixes releases. Given that we have a way to actually test releases efficiently. We constantly work to improve QA as well, it is also why I asked for apps and frameworks authors or QA lead to get in touch to see how we can have your tests valid our changes. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org