Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50616 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 9635 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2010 01:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 27 Nov 2010 01:09:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.160.170 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.170 mail-gy0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.170] ([209.85.160.170:35501] helo=mail-gy0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 1F/44-15391-06A50FC4 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 20:09:53 -0500 Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so1289482gyf.29 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:09:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.90.221.5 with SMTP id t5mr5278437agg.72.1290820189801; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:09:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from Anonymous.local (c-98-234-184-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.184.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m25sm1616357yha.43.2010.11.26.17.09.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:09:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CF05A59.9070309@lerdorf.com> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:09:45 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zeev Suraski CC: Pierre Joye , Ilia Alshanetsky , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johannes_Schl=FCter?= , Andi Gutmans , Jani Taskinen , "davey@php.net" , PHP Internals References: <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154C3B@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290707707.7033.115.camel@guybrush> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D3910@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4808@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4B7B@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4D24@il-ex2.zend.net> In-Reply-To: <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4D24@il-ex2.zend.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 11/26/10 12:58 PM, Zeev Suraski wrote: >> Only that it has no technical or features- >> wise reasons to do so > > Substantial engine level improvements and a couple of new language level features (it's pushing it a bit, I agree, but not that much) I think the next major version should be used to drop a bunch of deprecated features and to clean up some things. That's going to take a bit of time to figure out and agree on which means traits and the performance improvements are going to sit around unused for longer than if we get an interim version out there quicker. -Rasmus