Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50604 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 70258 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2010 21:14:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 26 Nov 2010 21:14:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=zeev@zend.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=zeev@zend.com; sender-id=pass Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain zend.com designates 212.25.124.185 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: zeev@zend.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 212.25.124.185 il-mr1.zend.com Received: from [212.25.124.185] ([212.25.124.185:52340] helo=il-mr1.zend.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 96/C0-00463-F2320FC4 for ; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 16:14:25 -0500 Received: from il-gw1.zend.com (unknown [10.1.1.22]) by il-mr1.zend.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80BE950519; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:08:18 +0200 (IST) Received: from IL-EX2.zend.net ([fe80::986f:2786:21dc:93fe]) by il-ex2.zend.net ([::1]) with mapi; Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:14:05 +0200 To: Pierre Joye CC: PHP Internals Thread-Topic: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 Thread-Index: AQHLiwviuNo+QHdN10+nuYhuTwQsF5OBSNCAgABg/ACAABLxAIAAkx6AgAACv4CAAAUhAIAABHCAgABiaYD///NOAIAAFaiAgAAMI4CAARf50P//+WqAgAA7/BD//+dHgAAG7SAQ///iywD//90IIA== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 21:14:17 +0000 Message-ID: <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4D99@il-ex2.zend.net> References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154C3B@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290707707.7033.115.camel@guybrush> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D3910@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4808@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4B7B@il-ex2.zend.net> <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5D4D24@il-ex2.zend.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1255" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: zeev@zend.com (Zeev Suraski) > that's the crowd I referenced to. The users I discuss too, in locale conf= erence, > UG, enterprises, etc. never heard or only vaguely about php6. Or they hea= rd > about it while seeing a book called "PHP 6 and mysql 6" or something stup= id > like that ;). I've yet to meet someone in the last few years who knew about the PHP 6 pro= ject, and wasn't aware it was about unicoding PHP... People care about the roadmap of the products they're using. I'm not sure = why you would think that the multi-year flagship version of PHP would remai= n a best-kept-secret. If you google for "PHP 6" it's clear beyond a reason= able doubt.. > > =A0I've received countless questions about it from Japanese and Chinese > users. =A0It's out there. =A0If I had to bet based on my experience with = users, > there are a lot more people that know what PHP 6 was supposed to be than > people who know its plans were scrapped. >=20 > Same here, and that's one of the pandora box I want to open again. > Only not now, but not necessary in 2 years either. Hence the importance o= f > the RFC and clear, transparent process first. Given what I know about why we failed, and what alternatives exist, I would= n't hold my breath. I'm too old to say it'll never happen, but I think I c= an say with a very high degree of confidence the chances of it happening wi= thin the next two years are very slim. Zeev