Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50549 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 11193 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2010 17:27:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2010 17:27:03 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 74.125.83.170 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.83.170 mail-pv0-f170.google.com Received: from [74.125.83.170] ([74.125.83.170:45433] helo=mail-pv0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 80/75-16484-56C9EEC4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:27:02 -0500 Received: by pvf33 with SMTP id 33so260273pvf.29 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.142.174.15 with SMTP id w15mr1163072wfe.255.1290706019132; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:26:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from Anonymous.local (c-98-234-184-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.184.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p8sm1223866wff.4.2010.11.25.09.26.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:26:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4CEE9C5F.3040206@lerdorf.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:26:55 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101027 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9oYW5uZXMgU2NobMO8dGVy?= CC: Andi Gutmans , Jani Taskinen , davey@php.net, PHP Internals References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> In-Reply-To: <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 11/25/10 9:20 AM, Johannes Schlüter wrote: > On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 17:11 +0000, Andi Gutmans wrote: >> For what it's worth the changes we've made in the Zend Engine around >> performance and memory use could warrant a major version. Every major >> version of PHP in the past has been driven foremost by major engine >> overhauls. > > Yes, larger changes to the engine changed the major number. But all of > them had a big effect. This is "only" performance. No functionality. 90% > of the users won't notice it. Whereas everbody oticed the change from3 > to 4 or the new object model in 5. Changing the major number has two big > effects: a) marketing b) more fear for doing the upgrade. > > I value b) as the more relevant factor to monitor. Looking through trunk I think we are in pretty good shape. I don't think cherry-picking and branch merging is an issue at this point. A 5.4 with the performance improvements, Traits, minus the type hinting breakage is something we can get out pretty quickly without causing any sort of PHP 6 confusion or breaking existing apps. -Rasmus