Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50546 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 7376 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2010 17:21:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2010 17:21:04 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=johannes@schlueters.de; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=johannes@schlueters.de; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain schlueters.de from 217.114.211.66 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: johannes@schlueters.de X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.211.66 ns.km36107.keymachine.de Solaris 10 (beta) Received: from [217.114.211.66] ([217.114.211.66:42583] helo=config.schlueters.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 08/94-16484-EFA9EEC4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:21:04 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.29] (ppp-93-104-60-3.dynamic.mnet-online.de [93.104.60.3]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by config.schlueters.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDA00468A1; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:20:59 +0100 (CET) To: Andi Gutmans Cc: Jani Taskinen , davey@php.net, PHP Internals In-Reply-To: <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> <3EA67EA2-A9B1-4DFB-8A30-05B37BCA313B@iki.fi> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9154B70@US-EX2.zend.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:20:53 +0100 Message-ID: <1290705653.7033.73.camel@guybrush> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.30.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: johannes@schlueters.de (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=) On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 17:11 +0000, Andi Gutmans wrote: > For what it's worth the changes we've made in the Zend Engine around > performance and memory use could warrant a major version. Every major > version of PHP in the past has been driven foremost by major engine > overhauls. Yes, larger changes to the engine changed the major number. But all of them had a big effect. This is "only" performance. No functionality. 90% of the users won't notice it. Whereas everbody oticed the change from3 to 4 or the new object model in 5. Changing the major number has two big effects: a) marketing b) more fear for doing the upgrade. I value b) as the more relevant factor to monitor. johannes