Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50533 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 75141 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2010 15:11:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2010 15:11:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:57978] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id C2/C3-55895-9AC7EEC4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:11:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (xdebug.org [127.0.0.1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FF27DE13E; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:11:35 +0000 (GMT) Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:11:35 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@kossu.derickrethans.nl To: Gustavo Lopes cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <73.C4.59959.876BBEC4@pb1.pair.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Hold off 5.4 From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Gustavo Lopes wrote: > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 14:05:43 -0000, Derick Rethans wrote: > > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2010, Davey Shafik wrote: > > > > > The goal then was to essentially take the 5.3 branch, create a 5.4 > > > branch, cherry pick commits to trunk and apply them to the 5.4 > > > branch and end up with a stable build. Unfortunately, subversion > > > merging sucks. > > > > This has nothing to do with any sort of version control sucking. > > Cherry picking is hard! It only works if you get one feature in one > > commit, instead of many several, with other changes in between, > > without many dependices between patches. PHP isn't like that, > > especially with Dmitry's engine changing patches. > > Yes, cherry picking is not as easy as people assume they are, because > many changes depend on each other and trunk has a fair quantity of > these. > > I think trunk should be the starting point for 5.4; as to type > hinting, I'm neutral as to the status quo. Yes, I also think trunk should be 5.4. It's not the most ideal thing though, but something we'll have to live with. It's going to be a lot less of a hassle than cherry picking trunk's features and graft them onto 5.3. > However, this is all orthogonal to this thread, what's important is > that we agree on the formalities proposed so that we can proceed to > these material issues. I don't know. The release process discussion can run at the same time and be ready for 5.5. That even allows us to refine it while we're trying out the current proposal. Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug