Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50505 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82750 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2010 08:48:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 25 Nov 2010 08:48:24 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.42 mail-bw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.42] ([209.85.214.42:36706] helo=mail-bw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B2/9F-12084-7D22EEC4 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:48:24 -0500 Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so665324bwz.29 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:48:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Q/bq+TrKBIqi/2owOtCmF+Dy6EW2waUc16qSgOnrrpc=; b=OLrEtTWHLV9Oazf9rzisTIJCJcxIPqU1YSmaxHaPSkgZ1XO73fVbuOzWiZTQWrCWha /N0cd/WzcTzRIwrcjmY9LWbH1n3mk8Um+qP60ApQRRJY9sth5a+xfSQJFlZEbOiqRpEQ /A1qK2rXVTBDlTS9B6VMfG5rvApfy0+/SpM5w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kSnTo++ojvlIiUiiBoHMhwM1rFY3QP/W/fkt2dYGiv13U0rUNKEidXWnj8+wVCfTpz BxcQtBz5jm1cAs7LaUq9qd8rK8Cyp3RjWXVteZdHM5u/tqQ9KYV94P2wi8szSe55TiQU ry1u5qpf1cTyw90+9p6aIA9sSIXM0utaauCFY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.83.164 with SMTP id f36mr383140bkl.172.1290674900324; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.52.129 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 00:48:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9142FA2@US-EX2.zend.net> References: <4CEDF661.3090800@sugarcrm.com> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C9142FA2@US-EX2.zend.net> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:48:20 +0100 Message-ID: To: Andi Gutmans Cc: Stas Malyshev , Derick Rethans , Felipe Pena , internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] [RFC] Release Process From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) hi Andi, On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Andi Gutmans wrote: > I agree with that. More structure and predictability will be very valuabl= e to the project. We created a lot of structure in Zend Framework and it ha= s really paid off. > Btw, we don't have to look far. Just the change in having people document= their suggestions via RFCs already had a substantial impact on this projec= t both in terms of peer review and having a long lasting trail of what made= it into a given release. > More structure will typically yield in higher quality, more visibility an= d therefore more motivation for people to contribute, and I believe also in= more deliverables rather than less as people will work towards clear goals= + be accepting if they miss them and they need to wait for the next releas= e train. As we will stay flexible, a fixed time time to begin with is better. The other key part was about features selection, unlike what has been done (or suggested in this thread), we should take what is done but what we what is ready and desired. Desired as in tested (viable, BC, QAs, etc.) and desired (RFC, votes, etc.). A fixed time line also helps developers to catch the next band wagon if they miss one, instead of pushing in half backed additions. Cheers, --=20 Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org