Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50455 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 24362 invoked from network); 23 Nov 2010 14:54:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Nov 2010 14:54:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=derick@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=derick@php.net; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 82.113.146.227 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: derick@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 82.113.146.227 xdebug.org Linux 2.6 Received: from [82.113.146.227] ([82.113.146.227:35495] helo=xdebug.org) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A2/13-08358-CA5DBEC4 for ; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 09:54:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (xdebug.org [127.0.0.1]) by xdebug.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3475DE13E; Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:54:33 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:54:33 +0000 (GMT) X-X-Sender: derick@kossu.derickrethans.nl To: Matthew Weier O'Phinney cc: internals@lists.php.net In-Reply-To: <88.B0.08358.01DCBEC4@pb1.pair.com> Message-ID: References: <887FE7CFF6F8DE4BB3A9535F53AFD06A2C5B099F@il-ex2.zend.net> <88.B0.08358.01DCBEC4@pb1.pair.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (DEB 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Hold off 5.4 From: derick@php.net (Derick Rethans) On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote: > On 2010-11-23, Derick Rethans wrote: > > On Tue, 23 Nov 2010, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > Are we effectively going to create the original type checking > > > implementation, but in a separate component people would have to > > > install - thereby creating two very different flavors of PHP? > > > > It's clearly a debugging aid for me. So this should be in a > > debugging extension. I doubt any sort of shared hoster would install > > it, but it *does* give people the power to do this for their own > > controlled set-up. Also, if the extension is suddenly not there, the > > app will still work so I am not buying your "two flavours" argument. > > While the code may still work, it won't work *as* *expected*. If the > PHP interpreter can execute the application, then it should provide the > same output given the same input -- and this would not be the case. > That's the two flavours argument. If it doesn't check for the hints, then your application will still work. I will say this once more: this is a *debugging* aid. cheers, Derick -- http://derickrethans.nl | http://xdebug.org Like Xdebug? Consider a donation: http://xdebug.org/donate.php twitter: @derickr and @xdebug