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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 00:39:26 -0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4 - Meta attribute (aka. Annotations) supportdiscussion
From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com")

Hi Alec,

Here is the quick list:
- Where to put the metadata information? docblock or though php code?
- Syntax (based on first decision)
- Return would be an array or object instances
- Compile time or run time (decision is more about APC being able to
cache, but instances being created at runtime automatically or no APC
cache but instances only being created when requested (during
Reflection call)
- Named variables for instantiation or method arguments order? How
would we deal with the need of Reflector during constructor if second
sounds better?
- Would we support inherited metadata?

Cheers,

On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:33 AM, Alec Gorge <alecgorge@gmail.com> wrote:
> In my opinion (as a person with 0 karma), I think that sounds reasonable
> because most people are most concerned about the actual implementation
> (syntax, performance, apc etc) because I don't think many argue that
> Metadata doesn't have value.
>
> What are the 5 different discussion topics you are thinking of, just out =
of
> curiosity?
>
> Also, I can just post my syntax idea as a gist or pastie or something
> instead of making an rfc...
>
> -Alec
>
> On 11/16/2010 9:29 PM, guilhermeblanco@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi Stas,
>>
>> Ok, so you think I should just consider everyone want some sort of
>> meta attribute support and start discussing the topics?
>> Should I separate it in different threads or put it all here?
>>
>> The subject is big and I identify at least 5 different discussions
>> that can diverge.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Stas Malyshev<smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
>> =C2=A0wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>>> I'm able to write 10 RFC's, but none will care until we reach this
>>>> list with a patch.
>>>
>>> Not entirely true. Patch helps, but with feature this big and complex
>>> having
>>> consensus on design before actually implementing it may be better and
>>> save
>>> you some time.
>>> As for polls, I think generic "having annotations" poll is not very
>>> useful.
>>> It's like having a poll "should we have cool features in PHP?" Of cours=
e
>>> we
>>> should! The devil is in the details. And so far the details of this thi=
ng
>>> contain a significant number of devils we have to handle.
>>> --
>>> Stanislav Malyshev, Software Architect
>>> SugarCRM: http://www.sugarcrm.com/
>>> (408)454-6900 ext. 227
>>>
>>
>>
>



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