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To: Chad Fulton <chadfulton@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PHP 5.4 - Meta attribute (aka. Annotations) support discussion
From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com")

@Chad: You're getting me wrong here.

If results of poll decide for OK to meta attribute support, next poll
would be which implementation to choose.
I can find 3 different implementations that we can choose, but anyone
is free to contribute.

- Docblock

/** @Foo */
class User { ... }

- New syntax similar to first patch

[Foo]
class User { ... }

- A keyword scope similar to method/namespace declaration

annotate { return new Foo(); }
class User { ... }

But before even spend time talking over and over about implementation,
I wanna ask if we should invest time into it, since I got a lot of
flaming responses (and I still continue, even though people barely see
what I'm asking).

If you say that we should enhance docblock to allow retrieve of @foo,
you're automatically saying +1 to this thread.
I do not want to enter in discussion about implementation because I
don't even know if it will be accepted. I don't want to spend a lot of
time to produce a patch to something that will not be accepted. So
let's decide IF and possibly WHAT to implement, then I can work on it.

All I want is a democratic decision, and not something that one guy
answer as "NO" and end of story.
If majority says "YES", one person being against it doesn't sound to
me like a democracy/meritocracy.


Cheers,

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 3:37 PM, Chad Fulton <chadfulton@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Lars Schultz <lars.schultz@toolpark.com>=
 wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I certainly don't have PHP-Karma (Does meritocracy really refer to that?=
),
>> but simply I can't believe that you're talking about this, again.
>>
>> I think Annotation-Supporters have made their point, but shouldn't they =
let
>> the PHP 5.4 Developers get on with it and let them roll out a new versio=
n
>> instead of forcing them to reply to lengthy emails about the same topic =
over
>> and over again. One could almost believe that you're hoping to drown the=
ir
>> voices by frustrating them into not replying anymore, therefore winning =
your
>> vote.
>>
>> cheers.
>> Lars
>>
>>
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>
> ^ I agree.
>
> ----
>
> I also don't think you can discuss annotations without simultaneously
> discussing their implementation. To me, it looks like you're trying to
> force through a vote on a very vague topic "should PHP support
> Annotations", and then use that vote later to force through an
> implementation that many core people have already said is not
> desirable.
>
> Many of the arguments that are central to the question of "should PHP
> support Annotations" MUST deal with their implementation because they
> add a large new set of syntax to the language.
>
> I doubt anyone would support annotations "at any cost", and yet that's
> the vote you're trying to force here.
>
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