Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50206 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 46943 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2010 17:07:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 15 Nov 2010 17:07:43 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=guilhermeblanco@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=guilhermeblanco@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.42 mail-fx0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.42] ([209.85.161.42:55292] helo=mail-fx0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id A4/D2-16614-DD861EC4 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:07:42 -0500 Received: by fxm13 with SMTP id 13so1459928fxm.29 for ; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:07:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:date:message-id :subject:from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4BB9/b6mS/uOws3D2Cefa8VhgbAgPbTV9EtD8GGK4wk=; b=NqO0OFULbtw+3GabTfiaes2PhlvuGtFLZ4Jm4X/bSVui4GzS0JeXRAJ3IE2l5yrH1o K0sLReVZpRbouqG3n/OI8X8S0WAqoNCJt9Sigg5+bCC2KOzwmWsN+N+ZiPwsuOgUHaWi zDkubLaIWt+8rIdsPUDp6ReawifGjW5r7nV5A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=GmlryHQbegZYFIKz8JG0kTwtCndwQj0SWTq5IQu1tlMtz5vMXDtD8v+D3HHfmcRQXB kZnQbnlsqsHQiQ43kD4U1F4URDsda23i2DobK3NgYNBIOiF0BJlpcaTc3qGEbE95kqEh +PTXg6yAsMkBOaenyYdxHwTGu/r6mzZ+ImZDQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.79.65 with SMTP id o1mr3635395fak.145.1289840854123; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:07:34 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.223.105.5 with HTTP; Mon, 15 Nov 2010 09:07:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:07:34 -0200 Message-ID: To: PHP internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: PHP 5.4 - Meta attribute (aka. Annotations) support discussion From: guilhermeblanco@gmail.com ("guilhermeblanco@gmail.com") Hi folks, I'll start a series of topics (in this thread) about meta attribute (aka. Annotations) discussion. So as soon as we agree on each topic I'll open another point to be discusse= d. Only when we reach some consensus I'll open another topic discussion. I suggest to have a poll for each topic, so we can do some democratic internals decision. I'd reduce the scope of voters to only people with PHP karma. The first topic to be defined is: Does PHP need meta attribute support? Any language is built at the top of syntax, words, semantics and context. We cannot define it as a language if we don't have these 4 parts well fit together. For a simple sentence like: I am all ears, we can easily identify these par= ts. But the real meaning of this sentence (context) is only achieved with another part of the language: signifier-significate. A signifier is an atomic form, material element, visible, sensitive. A significate is an idea, semantic content, conceptual element, not sensitive perceptive. This important part is only reminded when we get back to semantics, specifically when talking about idiomatic expressions, a metaphor in our sample. The meaning will only work if we have the context, a known information. Our sentence would mean that spoker person only have ears, while the true meaning is that he/she is paying attention. A computer language doesn't differ from a language by any means. We have tokens (words), a syntax, semantic. But the lack of contextualization brings a hole on language and how your application should behave. This behavior can be achieved by many different ways; the simplest way is known as meta information. Considering you have a lack of idiomatic expressions knowledge of someone that is reading. He'd think person only have ears, but if you meta notify him that it is a metaphor, he'd try to find a different meaning. Example: (Metaphor) I am all ears. Now that we find how meta-information can benefit languages, it is time to understand how meta-information can benefit a computer language. A good example is define a Service that validates Domain Objects. Imagining a scenario where you have a User class that holds email and password. Email and password fields must be validated, for example, email as an email and password with at least 6 chars. A generic validation service could not have the User validation hardcoded inside the service, so the solution would be an external factor that explains to service how to validate the DO. One of the possible implementations would be a UserValidator class that contains validation rules for each field. This external factor is a good sample of meta-information. But how would a meta attribute would solve this situation? A Service could simple retrieve the validation instructions by Reflecting the class which instance is going to be validated. Basically, to validate a Domain Object, it is simply required to add validation rules on desired attributes. Example: class User { protected $email; protected $password; } *NOTE*: Please understand that this do not enter in any implementation details. It is not time (yet) to talk baout docblock, new syntax, etc. Scope now is simpler than that. Now that is possible to see how meta attribute support could benefit a language, I compiled a simple list of known projects and how can they benefit of meta support: - phpUnit Providing meta functionality for test cases, examples: @dataProvider for test data iteration, @expectedException for catching exceptions, etc. - Doctrine For Object-Relational mapping, examples: @Entity, @OneToOne, @Id, etc. - Zend Framework Server classes Used to automate mappings for XML-RPC, SOAP, etc. - FLOW3 for dependency injection and validation - Symfony2 for validation and routing rules - Others: Validation, Functional Behavior injection (which could take advantage of Traits), etc. Poll will be opened for voting for 7 days (1 week) starting from now. Poll will be closed next Monday at 5pm GMT. Question: Does PHP need meta attribute support? Happy voting! --=20 Guilherme Blanco Mobile: +55 (16) 9215-8480 MSN: guilhermeblanco@hotmail.com S=C3=A3o Paulo - SP/Brazil