Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50042 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12702 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2010 17:46:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 31 Oct 2010 17:46:42 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=admin@codeangel.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=admin@codeangel.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain codeangel.org from 216.119.135.130 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: admin@codeangel.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 216.119.135.130 a2s40.a2hosting.com Windows 98 (1) Received: from [216.119.135.130] ([216.119.135.130:37696] helo=a2s40.a2hosting.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6A/13-29961-18BADCC4 for ; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:46:41 -0500 Received: from c-98-212-133-218.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.133.218] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by a2s40.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PCbzL-0000pj-0h for internals@lists.php.net; Sun, 31 Oct 2010 13:46:39 -0400 Message-ID: <4CCDAB94.2040300@codeangel.org> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 12:47:00 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: internals@lists.php.net References: <4CCBB87F.7090209@codeangel.org> <4CCBBB6C.5040802@lerdorf.com> <4CCBBC86.3020005@codeangel.org> <4CCBF85B.4090601@gmx.li> <4CCC4967.6060807@codeangel.org> <4CCC4C05.5080108@codeangel.org> <4CCC5357.5050905@codeangel.org> <4CCC7BBA.80702@codeangel.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s40.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - codeangel.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: admin@codeangel.org (Chad Emrys) On 10/30/2010 07:50 PM, Jack Timmons wrote: > On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Chad Emrys wrote: > >> I'm not arguing about learning another culture. The argument is that an >> error message that should be straight forward, isn't. >> > You misunderstand my point. > > It isn't straightforward for -you- because that isn't your native > language. Thus the cultural point. But if switched to > "T_DOUBLE_COLON", then others who don't know English could then argue > it isn't straight forward. > > It's an entirely pedantic point to argue, I agree, but thus far you > entire complain was because it isn't in English, and you want it > changed so you "don't have to hear about it constantly". The fact is, > it says "double colon" in a different language, so aside from > translation there's nothing wrong with it at all. > > Magic would be internationalizing the error messages, but then there > will be someone whose language doesn't have a version. > > That wouldn't bother me if it was in a different language as long as all tokens are consistently in another language. The fact there is ONE token in Hebrew is inconsistent and not straight forward.