Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50028 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26408 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 18:02:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 18:02:16 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=james.butler@edigitalresearch.com; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=james.butler@edigitalresearch.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain edigitalresearch.com does not designate 217.154.180.62 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: james.butler@edigitalresearch.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.154.180.62 analysis.edigitalresearch.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [217.154.180.62] ([217.154.180.62:43980] helo=mail.edigitalresearch.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 6F/7A-10139-7AD5CCC4 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 14:02:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.edigitalresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB841E24D1; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:02:10 +0100 (BST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at edigitalresearch.com Received: from mail.edigitalresearch.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.edigitalresearch.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ONFXcFaz24oe; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:02:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from zarafa.localdomain (unknown [10.0.0.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.edigitalresearch.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 889971E13F3; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:02:09 +0100 (BST) Received: from zarafa.edigitalresearch.com (zarafa.edigitalresearch.com [10.0.0.20]) by zarafa.localdomain (Postfix) with SMTP id 8C09910039C; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:02:07 +0100 (BST) To: =?windows-1252?Q?"Chad_Emrys"?= Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?"Mike_Van_Riel"?= , =?windows-1252?Q?"internals=40lists.php.net"?= Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:02:06 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Zarafa 6.40.2-22452 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: james.butler@edigitalresearch.com (=?windows-1252?Q?James_Butler?=) Are you supporting users who you provide a shared hosting embodiment too, and do you control binary installations on the enviroments=3F If so then possibly patching source for you installs maybe the easiest and quickest solution. If we knew the nature of your support requirements, then we could possibly suggest a better solution or be won round. (although internals isn't the place for that really) This is not meant to bait but possibly an improvement in your support process or docs might yield a solution=3F -- James Butler Sent from my iPhone On 30 Oct 2010, at 17:51, "Chad Emrys" wrote: > On 10/30/2010 11:43 AM, James Butler wrote: >> If it ain't broken don't fix it. >>=20 >> Change for the sake of it is a bad thing. It does things like introduce bugs etc. >>=20 >> Q1) is it broken=3F >> Q2) if yes exactly what is broken >> Q3) does the proposes fix solve the root cause=3F >>=20 >> I'm not sure changing the token name is the correct fix to people not knowing what the error means. >>=20 >> -- >> James Butler >> Sent from my iPhone >>=20 > Q1) yes, it is broken, people have to Google or ask around for a very=20 > unclear error message when for the most parts errors are (and should be)=20 > self explanatory. >=20 > Q2) Two things are broken: Either the token is named badly, or the=20 > token names shouldn't show up in error messages at all and be replaced=20 > with something a bit more friendly. >=20 > Q3) those two fixes above would probably fix that, yes. >=20 > What is so hard to believe when people see UNEXPECTED T_DOUBLE_COLON on=20 > LINE 23 they are gonna look for a double colon on line 23=3F because they DO.