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Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 19:44:08 +0200
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To: Chad Emrys <admin@codeangel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON
From: peter.e.lind@gmail.com (Peter Lind)

On 30 October 2010 19:18, Chad Emrys <admin@codeangel.org> wrote:
> On 10/30/2010 11:58 AM, Daniel P. Brown wrote:
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys<admin@codeangel.org> =C2=A0wro=
te:
>>
>>>
>>> It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my
>>> opinion
>>> has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument over and over agai=
n
>>> that I believe is not a very good argument (They can just google it
>>> thing).
>>> =C2=A0Some other people have provided other arguments as well and those=
 are
>>> more
>>> valued. (Though I don't think they are strong enough reasons yet NOT to
>>> do
>>> it).
>>>
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 It does have merit --- to you, and perhaps a few others.
>> Hopefully without sounding like I'm ridiculing you (it's not my
>> intent), have you seriously considered this at all, and are you
>> realizing that it's just not going to happen at this time? =C2=A0I mean,=
 if
>> you submitted a request or implementation proposal for an INI-based
>> option to switch between token strings and expanded help messages,
>> that would likely receive more serious attention than the dismissive
>> responses and formed opinions of your own insight as based upon this
>> discussion.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Forking won't fix this particular problem.
>>>
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Well, if your statement about how no one here who disagree=
s with
>> you does "enough support" (which is, quite frankly, an asinine
>> assessment), then an equal rebuttal will be that you do not know
>> enough about the inner workings of the software you claim to support,
>> nor the culture of the group who maintains it.
>>
>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 You're taking a minor annoyance and trying to convince the=
 masses
>> - and indeed the "powers that be" - that it is tantamount to Y2K38.
>> Again, I'm really not trying to insult you or your original opinion
>> here, Chad, but the continued arguments are almost coming off as silly
>> now.
>>
>>
>
> If you haven't noticed, I am a bit stubborn, yes it's a problem. =C2=A0Wh=
en I
> submitted this proposal, I have to at least try to plant a bug in their
> brain that perhaps, they are being to hasty on dismissing this argument.
> =C2=A0True, I do not know a lot about this particular culture that mainta=
ins PHP.
> =C2=A0I just know the bigger culture of those who use PHP, and some of th=
em are
> quite annoyed by the dismissive nature of the maintainers who are quite a=
t
> odds to what the majority of the community want or needs. =C2=A0And I am =
sort of
> glad to annoy those who are overly dismissive, and hopefully ploy the one=
's
> who are on the fence.
>
> No one said I was good at politics. =C2=A0But the fact one has to play th=
e
> politics game here to get anything worth while doesn't really phase me.
>
> Now I am starting to find this argument straying from the point. =C2=A0I =
don't
> believe attacking me personally or me attacking the nature of this mailin=
g
> list really has to do with the subject line.
>

Why not throw your weight behind http://wiki.php.net/rfc/lemon ? Seems
to me that might get a lot more traction.

Regards
Peter

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