Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50023 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 12928 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 16:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 16:59:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=parasane@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=parasane@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.214.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: parasane@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.214.42 mail-bw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.214.42] ([209.85.214.42:45856] helo=mail-bw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id E2/D7-10139-CEE4CCC4 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:59:25 -0400 Received: by bwz13 with SMTP id 13so3492886bwz.29 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:59:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=woLq4AW+56Wi3vmR6+QZa/UEewReQLRUuCsOLd7f888=; b=A41r9aU1eFsAC1R59Ou6WIJv3g3ME7hnbOd7UjkzynMg5oMxQV/CY1/NLKYXl8M/iw /k//4jG0uvir0wPtXgfEEGsKH3PWqxfzshMFhfxcrQMPieuMq6AelospE32Sb1ydPo8h T2lg12qNpnZWGSKU6+f3W55agId46ZHw0qbrQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=cT+DmP4zjNaSfyiW7NAjI66To6LYjv4cA2M7z2RsTZ7BvwOHcKQgskrw+R5teeNZ9L ZQwxk/5PhOanjcrZz1w9vTM3bDr9vS853vtNHLhRAcz6yTmXcLJzhLK/vyBNxbOoVYk7 NqRaji2O/VLvbRhYwz2CTfcaQUSVR3qc77QuY= Received: by 10.204.118.12 with SMTP id t12mr10941795bkq.179.1288457960382; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:59:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: parasane@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.99.145 with HTTP; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 09:58:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4CCC4C05.5080108@codeangel.org> References: <4CCBB87F.7090209@codeangel.org> <4CCBBB6C.5040802@lerdorf.com> <4CCBBC86.3020005@codeangel.org> <4CCBF85B.4090601@gmx.li> <4CCC4967.6060807@codeangel.org> <4CCC4C05.5080108@codeangel.org> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:58:59 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: Zby3dIbCO1UxlRYvii-UFAw_5_8 Message-ID: To: Chad Emrys Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: daniel.brown@parasane.net ("Daniel P. Brown") On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:47, Chad Emrys wrote: > > It's not that I'm that sure of myself, it's that I believe that my opinio= n > has merit, and I keep seeing the exact same argument over and over again > that I believe is not a very good argument (They can just google it thing= ). > =A0Some other people have provided other arguments as well and those are = more > valued. (Though I don't think they are strong enough reasons yet NOT to d= o > it). It does have merit --- to you, and perhaps a few others. Hopefully without sounding like I'm ridiculing you (it's not my intent), have you seriously considered this at all, and are you realizing that it's just not going to happen at this time? I mean, if you submitted a request or implementation proposal for an INI-based option to switch between token strings and expanded help messages, that would likely receive more serious attention than the dismissive responses and formed opinions of your own insight as based upon this discussion. > Forking won't fix this particular problem. Well, if your statement about how no one here who disagrees with you does "enough support" (which is, quite frankly, an asinine assessment), then an equal rebuttal will be that you do not know enough about the inner workings of the software you claim to support, nor the culture of the group who maintains it. You're taking a minor annoyance and trying to convince the masses - and indeed the "powers that be" - that it is tantamount to Y2K38. Again, I'm really not trying to insult you or your original opinion here, Chad, but the continued arguments are almost coming off as silly now. --=20 Dedicated Servers, Cloud and Cloud Hybrid Solutions, VPS, Hosting (866-) 725-4321 http://www.parasane.net/