Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:50018 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 5492 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 16:37:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 16:37:19 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=admin@codeangel.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=admin@codeangel.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain codeangel.org from 216.119.135.130 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: admin@codeangel.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 216.119.135.130 a2s40.a2hosting.com Windows 98 (1) Received: from [216.119.135.130] ([216.119.135.130:54664] helo=a2s40.a2hosting.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 50/26-10139-FB94CCC4 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:37:19 -0400 Received: from c-98-212-133-218.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.133.218] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by a2s40.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PCEQe-0004h2-Pf; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 12:37:16 -0400 Message-ID: <4CCC49CF.2050007@codeangel.org> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 11:37:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Van Riel CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: <4CCB6B21.1070708@codeangel.org> <8757232E56758B42B2EE4F9D2CA019C904CC19@US-EX2.zend.net> <4CCBBC88.5000904@php.net> <4CCBCA92.1070201@codeangel.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s40.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - codeangel.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: admin@codeangel.org (Chad Emrys) On 10/30/2010 03:46 AM, Mike Van Riel wrote: > On 30 okt 2010, at 09:34, Chad Emrys wrote: > >> On 10/30/2010 02:16 AM, Peter Lind wrote: >>> On 30 October 2010 09:09, Mike Van Riel >>> wrote: >>> >>> * snip * >>> >>> >>>> (additionally I wonder why people ask such a simple question on IRC >>>> whilst >>>> googling provides your answer faster..) >>>> >>> Most of the people coming to ##php on freenode asking questions like >>> that have a hard time learning (on their own or at all) - they expect >>> to be spoonfed. Changing the token name might lower the frequency of >>> this particular question, but it would have no overall effect on the >>> number of people coming to ask questions they could get answered in >>> two seconds by google. >>> >>> Regards >>> Peter >>> >>> >> It's the same argument everyone else is giving, and really it all >> comes down to this.: >> >> Nostalgia is valued over clarity and consistency. >> >> Do you guys REALLY want to claim that? > > If you are referring to my response, I believe I have given other > arguments than your claim, as have others. > > The point is in the question: is it worth it? > > Do you think it is worth it to change something which works > (functionally), has been there for 12 years and for the effort it > takes to persuade people to want to change it? > > This all because people will have to google once in their carreer? > > Another solution might be to add a rule to an IRC bot to automatically > provide the answer if the token name (and/or common misspellings) are > mentioned. This would instantly solve the issue about support requests. > > Kind regards, > > Mike van Riel I think it's more constructive to the language when we ask "Why Not?" rather than "Why"? I already mentioned in my first email: It is worth it. Automatic bot responses are prone to abuse.