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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON
From: admin@codeangel.org (Chad Emrys)

On 10/30/2010 01:30 AM, Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
> On 10/29/10 11:17 PM, Chad Emrys wrote:
>    
>> The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error
>> message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a
>> second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader).  I Liked
>> Stefan's idea in the previous thread to not put token names in the error
>> messages anymore and replace them with something more meaningful for the
>> user.  However, since that never happened, this is a better/easier
>> alternative for now.  How many total hours of googling will we save
>> developers for a 10 sec grep and replace? (not sure if it's that easy,
>> but for the sake of the argument).
>>
>> I can see only positives by switching it out.  can someone give me a
>> light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives?  I
>> don't see the argument given to be entirely helpful because it's exactly
>> what I am trying to point out as a problem, and the reason why we should
>> change it.
>>      
> There are two reasons this term will stay.  It is a tip of the hat to
> the amount of PHP work that came out of Israel, and it is a good
> reminder that there are a lot of other languages in the world.  People
> whose first language is not English, myself included, are forced to work
> with unfamiliar terms every day.  I wouldn't mind having a few more
> non-English identifiers in PHP actually.
>
> Well, and a third reason, I like it.
>
> -Rasmus
>    
Well Rasmus, I wish you would hang out more in ##php on freenode.  (I 
see you there every so often) But we do get that question about that 
thing a lot.  And even some rage, and I have to cool them off with all 
the reasons you and Andi are giving me right now.  But I am not 
convinced nostalgia or "teaching the English speakers a lesson" is a 
good reason to keep around a confusing error message.