Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49988 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 97452 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2010 06:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 30 Oct 2010 06:17:25 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=admin@codeangel.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=admin@codeangel.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain codeangel.org from 216.119.135.130 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: admin@codeangel.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 216.119.135.130 a2s40.a2hosting.com Windows 98 (1) Received: from [216.119.135.130] ([216.119.135.130:55805] helo=a2s40.a2hosting.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 62/00-31541-478BBCC4 for ; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:17:24 -0400 Received: from c-98-212-133-218.hsd1.il.comcast.net ([98.212.133.218] helo=[192.168.0.100]) by a2s40.a2hosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PC4kh-0003Sy-Pt; Sat, 30 Oct 2010 02:17:20 -0400 Message-ID: <4CCBB87F.7090209@codeangel.org> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 01:17:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101027 Thunderbird/3.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Butler CC: "internals@lists.php.net" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - a2s40.a2hosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lists.php.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - codeangel.org Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] rename T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM to T_DOUBLE_COLON From: admin@codeangel.org (Chad Emrys) On 10/29/2010 09:29 PM, James Butler wrote: > I'll bite. > > Why should this be changed? Is it broken? Is it something that 1 second on google can't answer? > If somebody is advanced enough to be using classes (I think about the only time you would use a double colon) then they should know what it means. > > -- > James Butler > Sent from my iPhone > > On 30 Oct 2010, at 02:51, "Chad Emrys" wrote: > > > The fact they have to google to figure out what it means, the error message fails at it's purpose. (Realistically it'll take longer than a second unless you got google hot keyed to your log reader). I Liked Stefan's idea in the previous thread to not put token names in the error messages anymore and replace them with something more meaningful for the user. However, since that never happened, this is a better/easier alternative for now. How many total hours of googling will we save developers for a 10 sec grep and replace? (not sure if it's that easy, but for the sake of the argument). I can see only positives by switching it out. can someone give me a light on how much it would actually cost to do that? Some negatives? I don't see the argument given to be entirely helpful because it's exactly what I am trying to point out as a problem, and the reason why we should change it.