Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49425 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 54747 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2010 10:11:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 12 Aug 2010 10:11:53 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=lester@lsces.co.uk; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=lester@lsces.co.uk; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lsces.co.uk from 213.123.20.125 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: lester@lsces.co.uk X-Host-Fingerprint: 213.123.20.125 c2bthomr07.btconnect.com Received: from [213.123.20.125] ([213.123.20.125:11363] helo=c2bthomr07.btconnect.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 8F/A2-41759-7E8C36C4 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 06:11:52 -0400 Received: from [10.0.0.4] (host81-138-11-136.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.138.11.136]) by c2bthomr07.btconnect.com with ESMTP id GBA74002; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:11:46 +0100 (BST) X-Mirapoint-IP-Reputation: reputation=Neutral-1, source=Queried, refid=0001.0A0B0302.4C63C8E2.01EC, actions=tag Message-ID: <4C63C8E2.2010705@lsces.co.uk> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 11:11:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100506 SUSE/2.0.5-1.2 SeaMonkey/2.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PHP internals References: <4C639BDF.7040304@lsces.co.uk> <4C63A5BB.4000900@sugarcrm.com> <4C63C2A3.3050809@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Junkmail-Status: score=10/50, host=c2bthomr07.btconnect.com X-Junkmail-SD-Raw: score=unknown, refid=str=0001.0A0B020A.4C63C8E5.0180,ss=1,fgs=0, ip=0.0.0.0, so=2009-07-20 21:54:04, dmn=5.7.1/2009-08-27, mode=single engine X-Junkmail-IWF: false Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: What is still missing from windows builds ... From: lester@lsces.co.uk (Lester Caine) Pierre Joye wrote: >> A download of PHP5.2.x simply works out of the box on windows ... currently >> > some of us have to jump through hoops to create a downloadable windows build >> > of 5.3 that our customers can use. >> > >> > The problem is quite definitely because of the quagmire of library versions >> > that exist on windows and as yet my own customers are only just talking >> > about loosing W2k so many of the newer versions are not necessary. But we DO >> > need a clean source of the 'new' format windows builds and that is something >> > Pierre obviously does not have the time to provide, hence the proliferation >> > of builds from other sites rather than direct from windows.php.net > Your apps were running using 5.2.x before 5.3.x was out. What does it > make 5.3 a requirement now? If you can't explain that to your > customers, then you are out of luck. Windows 2000 is not supported > anymore by Microsoft, why should we support it? And it was a dead cow > already since years. And the relevance of that outburst? The number of people who complain about problems with the projects I am involved with because THEY are running 5.3 means that we have to cater for it ... end of story. I was TRYING to be constructive since I do understand YOUR problems even if I do not accept your rules for solving them. The problem is simply 'windows' and I could quite happily simply tell customers we do not support it since there is no problem with Linux servers, but they have millions of pounds worth of investment in windows and will not change ... so support has to cater for that situation. Making the Linux machines stay on 5.2 is even more of a problem ... if the distro decides they only support 5.3 :( So simply sticking with 5.2 while possible ... is not practical longer term ... especially if 5.3 is the LTS version of choice. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL ----------------------------- Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk// Firebird - http://www.firebirdsql.org/index.php