Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49400 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 57448 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2010 23:50:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Aug 2010 23:50:13 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=johannes@php.net; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=johannes@php.net; spf=unknown; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: unknown (pb1.pair.com: domain php.net does not designate 217.114.211.66 as permitted sender) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: johannes@php.net X-Host-Fingerprint: 217.114.211.66 ns.km36107.keymachine.de Solaris 10 (beta) Received: from [217.114.211.66] ([217.114.211.66:62988] helo=config.schlueters.de) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 56/ED-18548-337336C4 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 19:50:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.31] (ppp-82-135-2-213.dynamic.mnet-online.de [82.135.2.213]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by config.schlueters.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DE75144025; Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:50:06 +0200 (CEST) To: Josh Davis Cc: Zeev Suraski , Stas Malyshev , Internals In-Reply-To: References: <1281478269.6608.292.camel@guybrush> <4C61E5CA.5070604@sugarcrm.com> <4C61F3EF.5030409@sugarcrm.com> <4C6241D1.6030909@sugarcrm.com> <4C62DBE9.7090008@sugarcrm.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20100811213714.1540f338@zend.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20100811225519.0ef42c40@zend.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20100812001106.0ef429b0@zend.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20100812010740.0ef432a8@zend.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Organization: php.net Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:48:48 +0200 Message-ID: <1281570528.1253.24.camel@guybrush> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Strict typing From: johannes@php.net (Johannes =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Schl=FCter?=) On Thu, 2010-08-12 at 01:21 +0200, Josh Davis wrote: > Either way, let me skew your numbers a bit by using Ilia's blog post > from last year [1] and earlier this year [2]. If that was my only > benchmark I'd say that there is unanimous support for the > implementation in current trunk. I guess it shows that different > communities produce different opinions. > > [1] http://ilia.ws/archives/205-Type-hinting-for-PHP-5.3.html > [2] http://ilia.ws/archives/217-Scalar-Type-Hints-are-Here!.html Now compare it to the comments on my blog: http://schlueters.de/blog/archives/139-Scalar-type-hints-in-PHP-trunk.html Yes, my blog posting reflects my opinion and therefore is manipulative by focusing on the negative effects. Both blog postings reach their audience via the same channels so they reach more or less the same people. But well, Ilia's audience only got the positive effects, mine got only the negative effects of the patch. To really judge it you need some time to think through it and probably even play with the patch (which I did, the blog posting only shows small parts, I'd have other examples where weird things happened, but they were too complex for a simple blog post) what "nobody" commenting in blogs does. But then even if there are "many" users out there: It is still this group here which has to maintain it. And why should I maintain anything I consider stupid and wrong for free for strangers? johannes