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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 00:39:24 +0200
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To: Ilia Alshanetsky <ilia@prohost.org>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] back to 5.4 alpha
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:27 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky <ilia@prohost.org> wrote:
> Pierre,
>
> With all due respect, there are plenty of things already in trunk to
> make it a worth while effort to start planning the 5.4 release. Just
> because you disagree, an opinion you are entitled to (like everyone
> else), does not mean it is a no go, last I checked no one had veto
> powers on the future release process.

Right, and no one can decide alone when we have to begin a release.
Please understand my point: I'm not saying we won't need to begin
soon, but I do not accept the way it is done, the total lack of
respect of the other core developers and the total lack of roadap,
consensus or general agreement about what will be php-next.

I have worked with all RMs since years as part of the release process
(windows and other things like pear before). We are so bad at release
management, dead lines, QA, BC between releases, etc. And what do we
do to improve the situation? Absolutely nothing, however we prefer to
let one person decides again what and when we have to do. Sorry, I
can't and won't accept that.

For the rest of this discussion, I will come back in time with
proposals, obviously and as I have to.

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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