Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49394 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 35974 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2010 22:27:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Aug 2010 22:27:35 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=ilia@prohost.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=ilia@prohost.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain prohost.org from 209.85.161.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: ilia@prohost.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.42 mail-fx0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.42] ([209.85.161.42:48057] helo=mail-fx0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id B5/7A-18548-5D3236C4 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:27:34 -0400 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14so601626fxm.29 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.118.11 with SMTP id t11mr20815700faq.51.1281565651043; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.6.28 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 15:27:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4C62EC4A.9020106@sugarcrm.com> <4C6320C9.5060306@sugarcrm.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 18:27:30 -0400 Message-ID: To: Pierre Joye Cc: Stas Malyshev , PHP Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] back to 5.4 alpha From: ilia@prohost.org (Ilia Alshanetsky) Pierre, With all due respect, there are plenty of things already in trunk to make it a worth while effort to start planning the 5.4 release. Just because you disagree, an opinion you are entitled to (like everyone else), does not mean it is a no go, last I checked no one had veto powers on the future release process. Johannes had already outlined a number of major features/changes in 5.4 branch that are IMHO are definitely enough to start thinking about a new version. Waiting until we got every feature, idea considered will take an indefinite amount of time and unlikely to result in a release. Additionally, a really BIG 5.4 with tons of features will take that much longer to make stable that something with a more manageable changeset. 5.4 is not the *last* PHP release, there will defiantly be others and those version can encompass features that didn't make it into 5.4. The "strict type / type hinting" discussion aside there definitely appears to be a consensus among the core devs that 5.4 release process should start. On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: > On Thu, Aug 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > >> It'd be alpha, you have enough time. > > Is it really the new way to do things in php.net? Totally ignore other > developers, discuss things privately, act like the last of the last > and drop a mail to "officially" announce a new release/big change? And > then we feel forced to act? > > I cannot talk for the other, but for me it is a no-go, period. > > I'm totally against an alpha at this stage. Not before we have > clarified all we need to get a clean release. > > Cheers, > -- > Pierre > > @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org > > -- > PHP Internals - PHP Runtime Development Mailing List > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > >