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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:58:42 +0200
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To: Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Strict typing
From: phpwnd@gmail.com (Josh Davis)

On 11 August 2010 23:26, Zeev Suraski <zeev@zend.com> wrote:
> matter how much I try to explain - it won't help - we probably see things
> too differently for us to ever agree on it. =A0Let's end it by saying tha=
t a
> great deal of people here think it's horrible to introduce strict typing =
to
> PHP period.

Sure, as long as you don't present your opinion as a fact and we
acknowledge that a lot of people also think that type checking is
desirable. (as evidenced by the various "strict typing" patches we
have seen) I would never try to change your opinions.

> The opposition to strict typing was that it's 'evil', and we mustn't
> introduce it into PHP.

Yes, and we know how overused the argument "X is evil" is.

> The opposition to auto-converting type hints was that strict typing is
> supposedly better.

I think I read some mails to that effect the last time that discussion
ran its course.

> Now that strict typing is pretty clearly off the table - how would those

Wait, what? Clearly off the table?

Derick has restarted the discussion 23 hours ago and judging from his
last mail he his still writing a new patch and you're already calling
it "off the table" ? =3D\

> that supported it vote between doing nothing at all and 'settling' for
> auto-converting type hints? =A0That's the real question on the table now.

The only question I have read from a developer about what kind of type
hints would satisfy the community was from Derick, 23 hours ago and
the question was "[supporting both kinds of typing] [s]hould make
everybody happy (enough), right?" - So right now I would say that it
is literally the only question being asked.