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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:34:50 +0200
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To: Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com>
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] back to 5.4 alpha
From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye)

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Stas Malyshev <smalyshev@sugarcrm.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I think by now, whatever you think on strict typing/typehints, it is clear
> to everybody that there's no consensus about this feature, and with Rasmus,
> Zeev & Andi, along with many others, being against it, as of now it can not
> be a part of an official PHP release.
>
> On the other hand, we have tons of cool features in trunk which aren't
> controversial and that we do want people to try out.
>
> So I'd propose doing the following:
>
> 1. Moving parameter typing to a feature branch (by branching current trunk
> and then rolling back the typing part in the trunk).
> 2. Starting 5.4 alpha process after that basing on trunk.
>
> Any objections to this?

Yes.

> People that like the typing can still have them in the branch (and they can
> keep the branch as current as they want) and if we ever See The Light (TM)
> and want typed scalar parameters back, they're only a merge away.
>
> What do you think?

I think using trunk as base is a mistake. We should begin using a
stable branch (5.3) and merge what we want for the next release. It is
also too early to begin to think about 5.4 as there is still a couple
of things to clarify before. The most important ones being:

- What are the top new things we like to have in
- Define a clear release process (not going to go through a 5.3.0 or 6.0 again).
- Define the RMs, I do want a good, honest and respectful RMs.

The last point can wait as we are a couple of months away of defining
the first two. For example I have a couple of very important things to
add to the stack but I won't be able to describe them fully before
September (I'm in holidays now, remember that 5.3.3 is a couple of
weeks old...).

Cheers,
-- 
Pierre

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