Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49311 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 36150 invoked from network); 11 Aug 2010 05:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 11 Aug 2010 05:52:37 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=clint@ubuntu.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=clint@ubuntu.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain ubuntu.com from 91.189.90.139 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: clint@ubuntu.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 91.189.90.139 adelie.canonical.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [91.189.90.139] ([91.189.90.139:45096] helo=adelie.canonical.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 38/C7-20356-4AA326C4 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:52:37 -0400 Received: from hutte.canonical.com ([91.189.90.181]) by adelie.canonical.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69 #1 (Debian)) id 1Oj4Er-0003ii-Lb; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:52:33 +0100 Received: from 76-216-240-245.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net ([76.216.240.245] helo=[192.168.1.102]) by hutte.canonical.com with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oj4Er-0008Fz-ET; Wed, 11 Aug 2010 06:52:33 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <61.77.20356.468326C4@pb1.pair.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:52:30 -0700 Cc: internals@lists.php.net Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: References: <61.77.20356.468326C4@pb1.pair.com> To: Michael Wallner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Annoucing PHP 5.4 Alpha 1 From: clint@ubuntu.com (Clint Byrum) On Aug 10, 2010, at 10:42 PM, Michael Wallner wrote: > On 08/11/2010 12:03 AM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: >> Greetings hackers >> >> I spoke with Derick today, and we both agreed on releasing an alpha of >> PHP 5.4 to show the public what we have been working since 5.3. We are >> going to release an alpha at september 2nd, which meaning packaging is >> going to happen on 1st September (SVN tag, Windows binaries, etc.) > > This is not going to be PHP as we know it. It's something hybrid, > something anomalistic. I won't officially support this BS, no matter what. > Right! Thats sort of the point. BS meaning "Beta Stuff", right? ;) The comment was made that there is a desire to follow the Ubuntu release model with periodic "Long Term Support" releases, and interim releases to showcase and vet big language changes. So, support the LTS versions of PHP, and let developers try out new features in a hassle free manner with these interim releases. It sure beats the current model where a giant splash is made every few years requiring refactoring of code, testing, and deployment without ever having been able to test things out without running the "nightly builds" of the trunk, and without having any idea as to when those builds will start to look like the next stable release.