Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49247 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 34856 invoked from network); 10 Aug 2010 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 10 Aug 2010 09:43:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=pierre.php@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=pierre.php@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: pierre.php@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.42 mail-fx0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.42] ([209.85.161.42:51910] helo=mail-fx0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 15/E3-14965-24F116C4 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:43:31 -0400 Received: by fxm14 with SMTP id 14so574183fxm.29 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:43:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=s6j6mit3P3l3xw83h0HvaYFgGsCsFsDnLkuf/ARkATw=; b=TUdCYAm13Ijql7U7Wpc02eGZgJ8nbYm+DGy6ivCgAWX7hqYat1NtB08GuSmZ6brhV6 4KYv3aAHIPhalsLc2OPBdrnb9+B3LZdWsruzdLATJdDHJr9mG0+zdt1s5ZfTrGUfpVos 80D0qwUYX9GWUbiPz4ciE0HIGCwvLYzyyRAnA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=oTWWk637b9Z9aD8Ru4EP0y8ETeOaNQ5w4IQSZgAzClyPx6YMCPL0Yo7T68JcUleRyL ZEeDnMKE+mxZygM2YU3bMDZVSh7wlc8L6N09uwZV2NetHNKEP0YVw+NLO8iA6Uy4pnqg r2jgt1Csk4j1uhuzYc+X/RJLgdDOCbqEMlXpk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.113.5 with SMTP id y5mr17737746fap.93.1281433407451; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:43:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.119.14 with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:43:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 11:43:27 +0200 Message-ID: To: Adam Harvey Cc: Kalle Sommer Nielsen , Internals Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] 5.4 Alpha? From: pierre.php@gmail.com (Pierre Joye) hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 4:19 AM, Adam Harvey wrote: > On 10 August 2010 07:28, Pierre Joye wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote: >>> With the recent additions to 5.4, aren't we getting closer to have a >>> public alpha release, or just a development test as we have many great >>> additions and changes to the current trunk or atleast set up some sort >>> of roadmap for what we all like to have in 5.4, or be that 6.0 as >>> thats yet another thing we should get settled soonish. >>> >> Huge -1 here. >> >> We are light years away to even be able to define what will be >> php-next. Let discuss that September, at the soonest. > > I could not disagree more. I think one of the key lessons we should > have learned out of the whole 6.0 saga was that "release early, > release often" is a good thing The key lesson of PHP 6 is that the lack of consensus, decision process, design, clear roadmap and release process leads to chaos, frustration and dead cows. But from a technical point of view, yes, we have almost every thing to begin to think about php-next. Cheers, -- Pierre @pierrejoye | http://blog.thepimp.net | http://www.libgd.org