Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:49129 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 82791 invoked from network); 23 Jul 2010 15:27:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 23 Jul 2010 15:27:32 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=chx1975@gmail.com; spf=pass; sender-id=pass Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=chx1975@gmail.com; sender-id=pass; domainkeys=bad Received-SPF: pass (pb1.pair.com: domain gmail.com designates 209.85.161.170 as permitted sender) DomainKey-Status: bad X-DomainKeys: Ecelerity dk_validate implementing draft-delany-domainkeys-base-01 X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: chx1975@gmail.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.161.170 mail-gx0-f170.google.com Received: from [209.85.161.170] ([209.85.161.170:35439] helo=mail-gx0-f170.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 25/F4-53775-2E4B94C4 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:27:31 -0400 Received: by gxk25 with SMTP id 25so158343gxk.29 for ; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:27:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:mime-version:sender:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=bKXuRBKCKI4KIhIFDY0p6DalgKijM6iKB4FIy12LBjU=; b=QCEgHC1RZ9Q206VKrAIqnp2QBKh/dVfdZUvmjH79+KvxoQ90Nto4QAPScFJc6tNbEw o/QVoaUXgcM/b68KP67ZnquNkCUChTSWERXfoXykJdTZ+sJozUn7yoABYhDw01bUV3I3 12cC7+i/tTpxXGadbZTR08+hitH6TstqxHzDk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; b=nlJt88jQ6tI0j5If/1jGt0vfRWDSl2btJ4CFu3NL/taDrCDUxpt/m09K0D58zK6j1L beIAxh9tCCuXsFUqCj9/fSbcpu3L2SfBfswYrV8tcaa6ZFux0MSHVxcyriop21v4TCFx AWI2ctu25ugjLq8tKA1EKx7dnbYsvmoxhpVX8= Received: by 10.90.79.14 with SMTP id c14mr3591640agb.209.1279898846326; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:27:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: chx1975@gmail.com Received: by 10.90.82.11 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:27:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C4950B2.40805@thelounge.net> References: <730E72B7-B2C3-4FF9-8138-F04659ECDB56@php.net> <4C4950B2.40805@thelounge.net> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:27:06 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7h0cDhgIrXQu_HmjwNKtUr5lLhU Message-ID: To: Reindl Harald Cc: "internals@lists.php.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Remove variable function and method calls From: karoly@negyesi.net (Karoly Negyesi) > Idiotic point of view, really there is no brain behind Really? so we are now down to personal attacks. Now listen. *Every* PHP version breaks backwards compatibility and we (I am one of the lead Drupal developers) struggle with making Drupal compatible with the subtle, often undocumented changes. It was quite long ago but didnt PHP 4.4 break array functions not to accept NULLs instead of empty arrays? Now, PHP 5.3 breaks things so big time it really should have been PHP 6.0 because this sets up an expectation that everything that worked with 5.2 works with 5.3 because it's not a major change. Still: we cope as best as we can. Now, I have pointed out calmly why this syntax is confusing by giving some examples and my problem is not that it's confusing to me. You would need to go far beyond what PHP can do to confuse me, believe me. In fact, I have amended documentation to make sure others understand it. I have pointed out why it's confusing which apparently noone read and have pointed out that there is an equivalent replacement which again noone read because someone asked whether I want to remove call_user_func too which is the very alternative I have pointed out. I have refrained from writing to this mailing list for years. It's crystal clear again that feedback is not welcome, my emails are not read and now I am personally attacked so I will stop here and revert to lurking. You guys can continue breaking the language and make our life hell. I tried. Kind regards Karoly Negyesi