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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] APC in trunk
From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf)

On 6/20/10 2:32 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>> On 6/20/10 2:05 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>>> Rasmus Lerdorf wrote:
>>>> On 6/20/10 1:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>>>>> ( Foregot to change address again :( )
>>>>> Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
>>>>>> What are your views on including APC in the core, or reasons not to?
>>>>>
>>>>> Dictatorship?
>>>>> Optional module which have well used alternatives should not be proced
>>>>> on by default! Probably more people use alternatives and have for
>>>>> years?
>>>>
>>>> pecl has been around for years.  Nobody else has submitted an opcode
>>>> cache to pecl.  We certainly would not have rejected any such
>>>> submission, and we still won't.
>>>
>>> Well eaccelerator has served me well for years on both Windows and Linux
>>> and has been listed on wikipedia for years before APC was added ;) Just
>>> because people don't like restrictive source management does not mean
>>> good code is not available.
>>
>> No, it is not enough to just have source code.  The developers need to
>> play along as well.
> 
> ? eaccelerator is being actively developed, and builds are available for
> more versions of windows setup than PHP itself currently supports so the
> developers of it are playing along much better then PHP core developers.
> And a number of alternatives have also been listed by others. So the
> question has to be "Why should APC be given special treatment?" Is it
> any better than the currently available alternatives or is it still
> playing catchup much like PDO?

But they haven't made any attempts to add it to pecl nor release it
under a license that would even make it possible to include in PHP.
That's what I meant by playing along.

-Rasmus