Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:48863 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 31543 invoked from network); 20 Jun 2010 21:07:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 20 Jun 2010 21:07:38 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 209.85.160.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 209.85.160.42 mail-pw0-f42.google.com Received: from [209.85.160.42] ([209.85.160.42:63007] helo=mail-pw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id 77/13-15307-9138E1C4 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 17:07:38 -0400 Received: by pwi4 with SMTP id 4so1257101pwi.29 for ; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.117.31 with SMTP id u31mr3134489wam.70.1277068054568; Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Rasmus-Lerdorfs-MacBook-Pro.local (c-98-234-184-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.184.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id n29sm141452084wae.4.2010.06.20.14.07.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C1E8314.7080606@lerdorf.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 14:07:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10) Gecko/20100512 Thunderbird/3.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lester Caine CC: PHP internals References: <4C1E784C.8010300@lsces.co.uk> <4C1E7DEC.5090908@lerdorf.com> <4C1E8288.6040400@lsces.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <4C1E8288.6040400@lsces.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] APC in trunk From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 6/20/10 2:05 PM, Lester Caine wrote: > Rasmus Lerdorf wrote: >> On 6/20/10 1:21 PM, Lester Caine wrote: >>> ( Foregot to change address again :( ) >>> Ilia Alshanetsky wrote: >>>> What are your views on including APC in the core, or reasons not to? >>> >>> Dictatorship? >>> Optional module which have well used alternatives should not be proced >>> on by default! Probably more people use alternatives and have for years? >> >> pecl has been around for years. Nobody else has submitted an opcode >> cache to pecl. We certainly would not have rejected any such >> submission, and we still won't. > > Well eaccelerator has served me well for years on both Windows and Linux > and has been listed on wikipedia for years before APC was added ;) Just > because people don't like restrictive source management does not mean > good code is not available. No, it is not enough to just have source code. The developers need to play along as well. -Rasmus