Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:48564 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 78390 invoked from network); 29 May 2010 08:40:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 May 2010 08:40:01 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain darkrainfall.org from 208.97.132.66 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: gwynne@darkrainfall.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 208.97.132.66 caiajhbdcagg.dreamhost.com Received: from [208.97.132.66] ([208.97.132.66:37311] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id DD/A4-33287-FD2D00C4 for ; Sat, 29 May 2010 04:40:00 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-173-48-161-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.161.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB8A41A1E; Sat, 29 May 2010 01:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-9-462450497; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 04:39:53 -0400 Cc: Derick Rethans , =?utf-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=C3=BCter?= , PHP internals list Message-ID: <37A6E298-B98A-4219-B184-E6F3C404EC65@darkrainfall.org> References: <1275052922.23351.292.camel@guybrush> To: Pierre Joye X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Commit messages and ChangeLog (Re: [PHP-DEV] ChangeLog) From: gwynne@darkrainfall.org (Gwynne Raskind) --Apple-Mail-9-462450497 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On May 28, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Pierre Joye wrote: >>>> Is anybody using this file? If this is thee case could somebody = then >>>> make sure it's being updated (and maybe take care of >>>> ChangeLog-200[6-9].gz being created) else I'd suggest dropping = them. An >>>> outdated file might be confusing for users expecting content like = we >>>> have in the NEWS file there. >>>=20 >>> I do, what's about only changing how it is generated to generated >>> changes since last release instead? >>>=20 >>> I'd to add that unless we add everything in the NEWS file, the >>> ChangeLog remains the only way to have a list of all changes = (without >>> doing manually). >>=20 >> Isn't that what "svn log -v" now provides? The format is slightly >> different of course, but it does provide the same info. >=20 > By "without doing it manually", I meant when one fetches a release or > a snapshot. The ChangeLog files aren't updated because no one ever ported the = ChangeLog crons from CVS to SVN. It wouldn't be very difficult - in fact = one of the open-source scripts already out there for the purpose would = seem appropos, it just hasn't been done. They seem to be standard fare = in FOSS projects, so I'm -1 for removing the functionality, but +1 for = removing the useless archives from all active branches. I wish I could volunteer to do the port, but I have too much on my plate = right now :( -- Gwynne --Apple-Mail-9-462450497 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFQjCCBT4w ggMmoAMCAQICAwhakjANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFADB5MRAwDgYDVQQKEwdSb290IENBMR4wHAYDVQQL ExVodHRwOi8vd3d3LmNhY2VydC5vcmcxIjAgBgNVBAMTGUNBIENlcnQgU2lnbmluZyBBdXRob3Jp dHkxITAfBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWEnN1cHBvcnRAY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzAeFw0xMDAzMTQwMzM5MDFaFw0x MDA5MTAwMzM5MDFaMEIxGDAWBgNVBAMTD0NBY2VydCBXb1QgVXNlcjEmMCQGCSqGSIb3DQEJARYX Z3d5bm5lQGRhcmtyYWluZmFsbC5vcmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDV rJP8AHhALh3AAuoHRdIDcjmQ3y81PLn3tTVC8N3yj4wHx9zJCJowbws6Wyohx7CwdKz10Hvaq6IC Qs+0SOLxJJN+mkjWWNl3iDqUEpP2wGl9UNzM6gZrxnCt681SmNeGIAJHXBSaJ7kHi4Id/8P78GdV ZJNmibV4qTDGH5ccvbTDZF6Puzfhoi4oSRMC9bmc1yM2uSyCyiOj1mGKgH2/dHeThMT4onT3DQEV QxT4u+8RRhA2kBeutX8m7VOyvhop6Qeh2RQg1zp/Zox9U6IohYPHO+RkPA6+Z4O3rF8MNjW27Mwd UlDSa4llQiHa4slgM6YtWlxJkVqIzuZU/7glAgMBAAGjggEEMIIBADAMBgNVHRMBAf8EAjAAMFYG CWCGSAGG+EIBDQRJFkdUbyBnZXQgeW91ciBvd24gY2VydGlmaWNhdGUgZm9yIEZSRUUgaGVhZCBv dmVyIHRvIGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuQ0FjZXJ0Lm9yZzBABgNVHSUEOTA3BggrBgEFBQcDBAYIKwYBBQUH AwIGCisGAQQBgjcKAwQGCisGAQQBgjcKAwMGCWCGSAGG+EIEATAyBggrBgEFBQcBAQQmMCQwIgYI KwYBBQUHMAGGFmh0dHA6Ly9vY3NwLmNhY2VydC5vcmcwIgYDVR0RBBswGYEXZ3d5bm5lQGRhcmty YWluZmFsbC5vcmcwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQADggIBAIWDS7p0iPJ+y0/06yiaC+7CtNNfnEp7cXx+ udL3VmYFOu+bKUaYc2949DDt9dJ+FJpvej5kACf91TXnwwqMsh2uzN+2MrBkwlhwZ1Vl/jdabMMA w+IM/W8BE1Ki+CI4FsP3viDxwrpmWUJGWfePuwya1jNXjxCcyAoih6OoaZoXbCmrM16qVmQVX5FJ QCfxWVJ+m31jFb2E5omqFF1Sov9qU+/U52hjCEhFM1fey1JPVqPEvJIV1i08tGenwLsRNaLzFOs8 7r5WrlTLWgp4VpvNppzM+OIrzZ2I1ddAqEMc73UqhpJhM0m1n5wgC/sblIpYMkcaZvgNZ2A7X2Vn RwipRuFGfZU4ojPOh9jmU0JIRm8HBmwnAxnyZxqmU0++qFKeYuHmN/aaUfM8+p8RYOEzI6R43iTs EqvfgPFPZyOIAHPiJfxXUrdcDyP3wqlYA0g4sj1PiTgEYkDGbrrpImuUtVXfRrTbHbDPktD3t0IH E+gjNdPOdyTp0yevFNNJKGD1fMA7fuQS9W4qcu221TN8jgpqMBjuYA3iPNjkY0RmRy9CY6qd5Bc9 yw2Ix+2hGT7Ze7DIo+QL3Hd4SDVTH6/ZN+QgxvKhQrleVfO1juyxoz+b+H94GSvX+TpwmRzAXGtv StIHeHaK+oN6BFO/jpQGfylPjePJkHWGxlpdi3XsMYIDMzCCAy8CAQEwgYAweTEQMA4GA1UEChMH Um9vdCBDQTEeMBwGA1UECxMVaHR0cDovL3d3dy5jYWNlcnQub3JnMSIwIAYDVQQDExlDQSBDZXJ0 IFNpZ25pbmcgQXV0aG9yaXR5MSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJzdXBwb3J0QGNhY2VydC5vcmcCAwha kjAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIIBhzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJKoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEP Fw0xMDA1MjkwODM5NTRaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEWBBR9+2o+wgx9NobExtgUNp8Fd22xtjCBkQYJ KwYBBAGCNxAEMYGDMIGAMHkxEDAOBgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cu Y2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZQ0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3 DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQub3JnAgMIWpIwgZMGCyqGSIb3DQEJEAILMYGDoIGAMHkxEDAO BgNVBAoTB1Jvb3QgQ0ExHjAcBgNVBAsTFWh0dHA6Ly93d3cuY2FjZXJ0Lm9yZzEiMCAGA1UEAxMZ Q0EgQ2VydCBTaWduaW5nIEF1dGhvcml0eTEhMB8GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYSc3VwcG9ydEBjYWNlcnQu b3JnAgMIWpIwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggEAoYSbVtYHJx5QIAfJVx+3C22sJDm7+k7+5S/iEJHH f1bLWd6VjjXB6wPBWT/WRqztTPOl0hQBnkuQ1CwPZDTOEAa86P/UZbONfyNMqWH27iQ3StImQcGe 8DOLfNa57BY1gVuP9QU9/su89qlby09YJxjy9K0IDdxnqhAujp4FZGATz67gf6F2jdp/PxsnmjhN n7PMj5D64/ibsu+CNtHOI8WaFCwdtIDPkw3vkngGT787HtbnNO/KhP9amtIr8RY/nUiv3F56UlGU qoz4P6c9eSvXN+Nj/DW4729iuqNW+8LTdo6+5oNcuEsSUc6BW2e6fxfLvszN3/sr7vQikShUkAAA AAAAAA== --Apple-Mail-9-462450497--