Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:48162 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 72712 invoked from network); 29 Apr 2010 17:32:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Apr 2010 17:32:36 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=gwynne@darkrainfall.org; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain darkrainfall.org from 208.97.132.207 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: gwynne@darkrainfall.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 208.97.132.207 caiajhbdccah.dreamhost.com Received: from [208.97.132.207] ([208.97.132.207:37053] helo=homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id BB/51-64641-3B2C9DB4 for ; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:32:35 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (pool-173-48-161-16.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.161.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a37.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5FFB4D851; Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:32:30 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 In-Reply-To: <7C4871F6-CD94-47F2-94C5-4C6FDAC98FD9@pooteeweet.org> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:32:28 -0400 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me_Loyet?= , Andi Gutmans , =?utf-8?Q?Johannes_Schl=C3=BCter?= , Pierre Joye , Ilia Alshanetsky , Kalle Sommer Nielsen , Derick Rethans , PHP Developers Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: References: <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE03F16456@us-ex1.zend.net> <1272386397.870.28.camel@guybrush> <698DE66518E7CA45812BD18E807866CE0411CA39@us-ex1.zend.net> <7C4871F6-CD94-47F2-94C5-4C6FDAC98FD9@pooteeweet.org> To: Lukas Kahwe Smith X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open From: gwynne@darkrainfall.org (Gwynne Raskind) On Apr 29, 2010, at 10:05 AM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Johannes Schl=FCter [mailto:johannes@schlueters.de] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 9:40 AM >>>> To: Pierre Joye >>>> Cc: Gwynne Raskind; Ilia Alshanetsky; Kalle Sommer Nielsen; Lukas = Kahwe >>>> Smith; Andi Gutmans; Derick Rethans; PHP Developers Mailing List >>>> Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open >>>>=20 >>>> On Tue, 2010-04-27 at 17:46 +0200, Pierre Joye wrote: >>>>> Before even thinking about a planning, we have to define what we = want >>>>> in and how we go further. >>>>=20 >>>> ACK, I think it makes sense to define some "key features" we want = for the next >>>> release (traits seem to be one). An issue with 5.3 was that = whenever really >>>> defined that but only said "let's backport from 6 and add all stuff = coming in". I >>>> think it makes sense to define a set of key features (traits, what = else?) and once >>>> these are implemented in an accepted way (not meaning "stable" but = having an >>>> accepted design) make a release branch (either by branching of or = locking trunk >>>> for "bigger" >>>> features or whatever) where stability of this is improved else we = end up adding >>>> feature after feature and introducing problem after problem. >>>=20 >>> As I've mentioned in the past I think we are better off with shorter = release cycles and less features per cycle. Reduces risk and enables us = to push out value faster. For example, we have made (and are still = making) significant performance enhancements to the runtime. It'd be a = shame if that waited until Q4 for alpha. I think with traits, = performance enhancements and a few additional changes we already have a = pretty substantial version. >>>=20 >>=20 >> +1 >=20 >=20 > +1 +1 -- Gwynne