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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] backslash, really ... ?
From: sylvain@abstraction.fr (Sylvain Rabot)

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On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 00:44 +0200, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Loyet wrote:
> 2010/4/29 Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>:
> > On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 15:29 -0700, Chad Fulton wrote:
> >> You can take a look at the RFP if you like. It discusses the pros and =
cons
> >> of various possible separators, and why they chose the backslash.
> >>
> >> http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >>
> >> <http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator>I've been using namespaces=
 for a
> >> few months now with the backslash syntax, and I have to say that it do=
esn't
> >> effect the aesthetics or readability of my code. Give it some time, I
> >> suspect you'll get used to it in no time.
> >
> > You might not be as stubborned as I can be regarding this matter :P
> >
> > Backslash is just something not "natural" to me. Anyway, my obsession,
> > my problem. Was just hopping to find people as disturbed as me :)
> >
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr=
>wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:58 -0500, Matt Wilson wrote:
> >> > > So, you decided to jump in to criticize a design decision that wen=
t in
> >> > after several months of discussion, without any insight into why it =
was done
> >> > the way it was?
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Not really criticizing, maybe a bit, but more expressing my
> >> > disappointment regarding aesthetic loss that the choice made has lea=
d
> >> > to. It might not concern you but it does concern me and probably oth=
er
> >> > people too.
> >> >
> >> > I admit I have no knowledge of what have been told during the months=
 of
> >> > discussion you are referring to. However, you seem to have this
> >> > knowledge, so I would be grateful if you could tell me if the aesthe=
tic
> >> > of the backslash token has been discussed and even more if you can
> >> > redirect me to a discussion thread.
> >> >
> >> > Regards.
> >> >
> >> > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Sylvain Rabot wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The comment I'm about to make is behind the times, and, now, use=
less, I
> >> > > > know, but I can't hold me.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > You chose for the namespace feature, a great feature besides, th=
e
> >> > > > backslash ?? really ?? Come on guys, among all the possibilities=
, you
> >> > > > have chosen, according to me, the most hideous character possibl=
e.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Having Windows=C2=A9=C2=AE=E2=84=A2 path like strings in the mid=
dle of source code is not
> >> > > > something that is going to make me use the feature.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > PHP syntax was simple, clean. To me, the backslash token ruins
> >> > > > everything. Using it aside from escaping was something I have ne=
ver
> >> > > > considered, have you ? Do you like it ?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > The goal of backslash was maybe to highlight namespace in the so=
urce
> >> > > > code, if it was, congrats, we only see that now.
> >> > > > To my opinion it breaks all esthetic's balance of a source code.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > No need to respond that I should have contribute to the choice, =
believe
> >> > > > me, if I could have, I would have.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This was just the comment of a simple guy which is very concerne=
d about
> >> > > > source code esthetic's and believes that a neat, well balanced c=
ode is
> >> > > > more likely to be well maintained that any other one.
>=20
> It's because you're using a french keyboard and you have to hit two
> keys (Alt-gr + 8) to obtain a backslash.

Not at all, azerty rocks, I can be really agile with my fingers and I
love to do keyboard tricks with them :P

> I agree with you it could be boring, that why when I'm coding I'm
> sometimes using a qwerty keymap :)
>=20
> ++ Jerome
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> >> > > >
> >> > > > Best regards.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
> >> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
> >
>=20


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