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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 00:44:46 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] backslash, really ... ?
From: jerome@loyet.net (=?ISO-8859-1?B?Suly9G1lIExveWV0?=)

2010/4/29 Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>:
> On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 15:29 -0700, Chad Fulton wrote:
>> You can take a look at the RFP if you like. It discusses the pros and co=
ns
>> of various possible separators, and why they chose the backslash.
>>
>> http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator
>
> Thanks.
>
>>
>> <http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator>I've been using namespaces f=
or a
>> few months now with the backslash syntax, and I have to say that it does=
n't
>> effect the aesthetics or readability of my code. Give it some time, I
>> suspect you'll get used to it in no time.
>
> You might not be as stubborned as I can be regarding this matter :P
>
> Backslash is just something not "natural" to me. Anyway, my obsession,
> my problem. Was just hopping to find people as disturbed as me :)
>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>w=
rote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:58 -0500, Matt Wilson wrote:
>> > > So, you decided to jump in to criticize a design decision that went =
in
>> > after several months of discussion, without any insight into why it wa=
s done
>> > the way it was?
>> > >
>> >
>> > Not really criticizing, maybe a bit, but more expressing my
>> > disappointment regarding aesthetic loss that the choice made has lead
>> > to. It might not concern you but it does concern me and probably other
>> > people too.
>> >
>> > I admit I have no knowledge of what have been told during the months o=
f
>> > discussion you are referring to. However, you seem to have this
>> > knowledge, so I would be grateful if you could tell me if the aestheti=
c
>> > of the backslash token has been discussed and even more if you can
>> > redirect me to a discussion thread.
>> >
>> > Regards.
>> >
>> > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Sylvain Rabot wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > The comment I'm about to make is behind the times, and, now, usele=
ss, I
>> > > > know, but I can't hold me.
>> > > >
>> > > > You chose for the namespace feature, a great feature besides, the
>> > > > backslash ?? really ?? Come on guys, among all the possibilities, =
you
>> > > > have chosen, according to me, the most hideous character possible.
>> > > >
>> > > > Having Windows=A9=AE=99 path like strings in the middle of source =
code is not
>> > > > something that is going to make me use the feature.
>> > > >
>> > > > PHP syntax was simple, clean. To me, the backslash token ruins
>> > > > everything. Using it aside from escaping was something I have neve=
r
>> > > > considered, have you ? Do you like it ?
>> > > >
>> > > > The goal of backslash was maybe to highlight namespace in the sour=
ce
>> > > > code, if it was, congrats, we only see that now.
>> > > > To my opinion it breaks all esthetic's balance of a source code.
>> > > >
>> > > > No need to respond that I should have contribute to the choice, be=
lieve
>> > > > me, if I could have, I would have.
>> > > >
>> > > > This was just the comment of a simple guy which is very concerned =
about
>> > > > source code esthetic's and believes that a neat, well balanced cod=
e is
>> > > > more likely to be well maintained that any other one.

It's because you're using a french keyboard and you have to hit two
keys (Alt-gr + 8) to obtain a backslash.
I agree with you it could be boring, that why when I'm coding I'm
sometimes using a qwerty keymap :)

++ Jerome

>> > > >
>> > > > Best regards.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
>> >
>
>
> --
> Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
>