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Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] backslash, really ... ?
From: sylvain@abstraction.fr (Sylvain Rabot)

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On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 15:29 -0700, Chad Fulton wrote:
> You can take a look at the RFP if you like. It discusses the pros and con=
s
> of various possible separators, and why they chose the backslash.
>=20
> http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator

Thanks.

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> <http://wiki.php.net/rfc/namespaceseparator>I've been using namespaces fo=
r a
> few months now with the backslash syntax, and I have to say that it doesn=
't
> effect the aesthetics or readability of my code. Give it some time, I
> suspect you'll get used to it in no time.

You might not be as stubborned as I can be regarding this matter :P

Backslash is just something not "natural" to me. Anyway, my obsession,
my problem. Was just hopping to find people as disturbed as me :)

>=20
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>wr=
ote:
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> > On Wed, 2010-04-28 at 16:58 -0500, Matt Wilson wrote:
> > > So, you decided to jump in to criticize a design decision that went i=
n
> > after several months of discussion, without any insight into why it was=
 done
> > the way it was?
> > >
> >
> > Not really criticizing, maybe a bit, but more expressing my
> > disappointment regarding aesthetic loss that the choice made has lead
> > to. It might not concern you but it does concern me and probably other
> > people too.
> >
> > I admit I have no knowledge of what have been told during the months of
> > discussion you are referring to. However, you seem to have this
> > knowledge, so I would be grateful if you could tell me if the aesthetic
> > of the backslash token has been discussed and even more if you can
> > redirect me to a discussion thread.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 4:45 PM, Sylvain Rabot wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > The comment I'm about to make is behind the times, and, now, useles=
s, I
> > > > know, but I can't hold me.
> > > >
> > > > You chose for the namespace feature, a great feature besides, the
> > > > backslash ?? really ?? Come on guys, among all the possibilities, y=
ou
> > > > have chosen, according to me, the most hideous character possible.
> > > >
> > > > Having Windows=C2=A9=C2=AE=E2=84=A2 path like strings in the middle=
 of source code is not
> > > > something that is going to make me use the feature.
> > > >
> > > > PHP syntax was simple, clean. To me, the backslash token ruins
> > > > everything. Using it aside from escaping was something I have never
> > > > considered, have you ? Do you like it ?
> > > >
> > > > The goal of backslash was maybe to highlight namespace in the sourc=
e
> > > > code, if it was, congrats, we only see that now.
> > > > To my opinion it breaks all esthetic's balance of a source code.
> > > >
> > > > No need to respond that I should have contribute to the choice, bel=
ieve
> > > > me, if I could have, I would have.
> > > >
> > > > This was just the comment of a simple guy which is very concerned a=
bout
> > > > source code esthetic's and believes that a neat, well balanced code=
 is
> > > > more likely to be well maintained that any other one.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sylvain Rabot <sylvain@abstraction.fr>
> >


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