Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:48037 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 26346 invoked from network); 21 Apr 2010 13:30:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 21 Apr 2010 13:30:11 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=mls@pooteeweet.org; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=mls@pooteeweet.org; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain pooteeweet.org from 188.40.37.16 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: mls@pooteeweet.org X-Host-Fingerprint: 188.40.37.16 hq1.backendmedia.com Linux 2.6 Received: from [188.40.37.16] ([188.40.37.16:43640] helo=hq1.backendmedia.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id F7/7D-63467-2EDFECB4 for ; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:30:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by hq1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBA5200C18E; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 13:30:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at backendmedia.com Received: from hq1.backendmedia.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hq1.backendmedia.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WNyy60GzVKud; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:30:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.80.107] (77-58-249-88.dclient.hispeed.ch [77.58.249.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: smith@pooteeweet.org) by hq1.backendmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E11E7200C18D; Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1078) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <4BCEFC93.7010508@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:30:06 +0200 Cc: internals@lists.php.net, Stanislav Malyshev , Adi Nita Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <56D6D1DB-0531-4ADC-8540-CC419A9F54EA@pooteeweet.org> References: <4BCE44B8.6060600@zend.com> <4BCEFC93.7010508@gmail.com> To: Ryan Panning X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1078) Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] A critique of PHP 6 From: mls@pooteeweet.org (Lukas Kahwe Smith) On 21.04.2010, at 15:24, Ryan Panning wrote: >>> 2. TYPE HINTING. >> This topic was discussed to death on the list, please read the = archives. If after that you still do not understand what it is about, or = have some comments, please ask then. >=20 > Sure, it has been discussed over and over but the fact that it keeps = coming up here should show you that PHP developers want this feature. check out the RFC's on the topic. See if you want to champion one of = them, or add another one if you have different ideas. >>> 4. PARAMETER ORDER. >> Two letters: BC. >> Changing variable order in an existing function is a big fat BC = break. And if we put such a bomb into a new version, what would be the = incentive for people to use it? So that apps would have to be shipped in = 2 versions, for the old php and the new php? >=20 > Is this something that could be fixed if it's moved to a namespace? = The new "alias" can have the "correct" order but original function can = have the old order. Right, if we ever namespace internal stuff (obviously there would be a = need for some out of the box BC extension), than this would be the = moment to fix stuff like this. Anyways, if anyone cares about any of the above proposals write up an = RFC (or champion an existing one). Lets not end up in a situation where = we have to refer people to the archives to understand a previous = decision ever again. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith mls@pooteeweet.org