Newsgroups: php.internals Path: news.php.net Xref: news.php.net php.internals:47537 Return-Path: Mailing-List: contact internals-help@lists.php.net; run by ezmlm Delivered-To: mailing list internals@lists.php.net Received: (qmail 40759 invoked from network); 24 Mar 2010 04:06:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lists.php.net) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 24 Mar 2010 04:06:26 -0000 Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com smtp.mail=rasmus@lerdorf.com; spf=permerror; sender-id=unknown Authentication-Results: pb1.pair.com header.from=rasmus@lerdorf.com; sender-id=unknown Received-SPF: error (pb1.pair.com: domain lerdorf.com from 74.125.83.42 cause and error) X-PHP-List-Original-Sender: rasmus@lerdorf.com X-Host-Fingerprint: 74.125.83.42 mail-gw0-f42.google.com Received: from [74.125.83.42] ([74.125.83.42:48093] helo=mail-gw0-f42.google.com) by pb1.pair.com (ecelerity 2.1.1.9-wez r(12769M)) with ESMTP id AF/6B-12746-0CF89AB4 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:06:25 -0500 Received: by gwb1 with SMTP id 1so1472595gwb.29 for ; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.117.20 with SMTP id p20mr5147173ybc.76.1269403581869; Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.200.22] (c-98-234-184-167.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [98.234.184.167]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 15sm2183806yxh.58.2010.03.23.21.06.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4BA98FBA.10304@lerdorf.com> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 21:06:18 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.10pre) Gecko/20100321 Shredder/3.0.5pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lukas Kahwe Smith CC: PHP Developers Mailing List References: <4BA8EA9C.7030307@lerdorf.com> <5AD071B3-2A67-4856-8784-34B47A4E56EA@pooteeweet.org> <4BA8F365.3010205@lerdorf.com> <4BA8F728.4030005@lerdorf.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.0.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] trunk is alive and open From: rasmus@lerdorf.com (Rasmus Lerdorf) On 03/23/2010 04:02 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote: > In conclusion: > There should of course be fun in just hacking out cool stuff, but I think for most developers a big part of the fun is actually seeing your ideas in a stable release. Exactly. But that means we need to wait and see which developers step up and actually commit their code to trunk. You can create all the shopping lists you want and set all the dates you want, but they are irrelevant until we see some of this stuff hashed out via rfcs and then reviewed once actually committed to trunk. PHP development stalled in large part because we had lists of features without developers passionate about those features. So, less lists, and more coding for a while, please. We've got 2 small commits to trunk so far. I switched our default charset from ISO-8859-1 to UTF-8, and Michael added FNV hashing. Both minor changes, but we need to encourage more of these smaller incremental improvements in the dev branch and not discourage them because they weren't on a list somewhere before a certain date. Release dates slide because of a lack of developers, not because we have too many people committing stuff. Having a lot of people committing code is a good problem to have and the release manager(s) will sort it out eventually. -Rasmus